FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:11 am
Only because you brought up Don King: Are you aware that he took heavyweight, Ernie Shavers, away from a big-time Pennsylvania black-top contractor who asked his friend Jo Jo Pecora to help him negotiate with King. This meeting took place in Youngstown and Jo Jo, who brought along Henry, made it clear that the only way to deal with King would be a bloody mess. This was never what the contractor would be able to deal with, thus King got Ernie. BTW: Ernie almost knocked-out Ali. Close but no cigar.
No I wasn't aware of it - that is your expertise "Family" - I am glad you are Friend and not Foe - heh heh
Just like Mike Tyson "had" to have a house between Cleveland and Youngstown. I ran into Mike Tyson at the Las Vegas Airport last year - standing right next to him going through security - wow, you never experienced something like that and made Security really nervous.
I had the exterior my restaurant painted by a group that wore white dinner jackets while they painted. I hired them to paint my house afterwards.
As luck would have it they were also painting Tyson's house in Southington. They would work on Mike's house while the Muslims were with him. Whenever they left a couple of limos full of whores would come to visit Mike. The painters would then come to paint my house. Too funny
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
I used to deliver beer for Superior Beverage while in college and I used to drive by Mike Tyson's house frequently as I had two "major" stops in Southington. The dumb asshole blew his money within 5 years...
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
Do you guys remember the Brown Derby Restaurant in Boston Twp, OH off Route 8?
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:14 am
Friend of Family/Henry,
Do you guys remember the Brown Derby Restaurant in Boston Twp, OH off Route 8?
Do you mean the one that Rockman and Lonardo used to stop at on their way back from Chicago to divide the "Vegas" skim money?
The money went South, North, and East.
Other moneys were divided there as well.
In the words of someone "NOPE - NEVER HEARD OF THE PLACE!!" (Very sarcastically)
LOL...It's also a place where Jimmy Prato/Joey Naples would meet with Angelo Lonardo to split up the Youngstown/Cleveland gambling proceeds
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:14 am
Friend of Family/Henry,
Do you guys remember the Brown Derby Restaurant in Boston Twp, OH off Route 8?
Do you mean the one that Rockman and Lonardo used to stop at on their way back from Chicago to divide the "Vegas" skim money?
The money went South, North, and East.
Other moneys were divided there as well.
In the words of someone "NOPE - NEVER HEARD OF THE PLACE!!" (Very sarcastically)
LOL...It's also a place where Jimmy Prato/Joey Naples would meet with Angelo Lonardo to split up the Youngstown/Cleveland gambling proceeds
In the Words of the GEICO Commercial "Everybody knows that" just kidding around today
BTW I hope you get some time to help parse this 1985 timeline since it is going to take time so Chris Christie can layout his Chart and it makes sense to everyone.
When I got home from Viet Nam and was playing poker in a couple of RC's games I would often sit next to Jimmy. Yes, he aways had a couple of sub-nose 38s in his belt, thus his nickname : "Two Gun Jimmy". I didn't realize at the time that not only was he there because he liked to play poker but also to check the take and compare it with Pittsburgh's envelopes. Now I know why he always stayed after the game with Junior to count the cash. BTW: Jimmy never saw a card he didn't like
"Never walk in a room unless you know your way out" - Henry Zottola
When I was growing up as a kid, my grandpa never had a drivers license. He was always driven by somebody...that somebody was either Jimmy Prato or Dominic Mallamo. Although Jimmy was a cousin of my grandmothers, she couldn't stand him. Every Thursday and Saturday, he would pick up my grandfather to go play cards at the CMAS club downtown. I could still hear my grandmother in the driveway telling my grandfather to be careful...ironically, my grandfather was a shoe maker and a small time numbers operator for Mallamo. When Mallamo retired in the early 1980's, my grandfather never took another numbers bet.
I remember going to Jimmy's house a few times with my uncle (the tailor), I remember how filthy it was...my uncle used to say to him, "you live like a pig, clean this fucking shit up." His wife could cook but she was a terrible housekeeper
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
I'm stuck until I have a better understanding of Cleveland city's internal underworld structure. Moving beyond the made guy shit, underneath/inside existed an East Side / West Side distinction. Just how was that arranged? Carmen Basile stated he was a controler for the "west side family." So I take it the soldiers in Cleveland were divided along east and west? Did this exist in the 1960's (asking for the 60's chart)? What crews (Colingwood, Sterling etc were east and west? Or was it not divided that way with guys with east side affiliation living on the west side?
Chris Christie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:09 pm
I'm stuck until I have a better understanding of Cleveland city's internal underworld structure. Moving beyond the made guy shit, underneath/inside existed an East Side / West Side distinction. Just how was that arranged? Carmen Basile stated he was a controler for the "west side family." So I take it the soldiers in Cleveland were divided along east and west? Did this exist in the 1960's (asking for the 60's chart)? What crews (Colingwood, Sterling etc were east and west? Or was it not divided that way with guys with east side affiliation living on the west side?
The only way to describe it would be:
Everything in Cleveland went to Little Italy on the East Side of Cleveland. Collinwood is also physically located on the East Side but that it where Danny Greene is from. The Irish Crew for lack of a better term is Danny Greene and Company which was allowed to operate on the West Side to Give the Money to the East Side regardless of percentage of the "take". The West Side was more of a aftermath of the Danny Greene Bombing and a reconciliation and last ditch effort ( It doesn't negate the before situation of every area needed to produce before Danny Greene bombing) to kick to Little Italy on the East Side of town.
If you look at the various neighborhoods within Cleveland - each was a very small area and it all fed (money proceeds) to Little Italy on the East side of Cleveland. Everyone had their little territory that needed to produce revenue such as the Gambling Revenue for the Cleveland LCN.
Danny Greene also use to come to Akron to get things going with the Irish (support) and to a lesser degree the Sicilians. It is hard to follow with him working Collinwood Area (East Side) and the West Side Area for the East Side. He played a dangerous game and LOST.
The Carmen Basile is the "Taxing Authority" or fee of entry into his area that he needed a taste. It wasn't a problem for him that the Irish/Italian West Side guys were operating because the East Side Little Italy has it sanctioned and was getting their cut. Basile wouldn't dare go against Lonardo.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:28 am
Any photos of Basile?
No I don't have any pictures of him - but get a load of this about Lesbian Bar:
Carmen Basile, a made guy in the Cleveland Mafia, ran Rinnella's Bar at East 65th and Carnegie Avenue which was a hoodlum meeting place during the week but on Friday and Saturday nights was "a hangout of Lesbians" according to a March 1958 FBI report. Basile worked under mob capo Frank Brancato, and "made a statement to an Agent of the Cleveland Office to the effect that he had high respect for FRANK BRANCATO and if he had a son he would like the boy to model himself after BRANCATO."
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:28 am
Any photos of Basile?
I haven't been able to locate one , . according one of his Sons , There wasn't many photos taken of him . He said he didn't even have one . The only one he recall seeing was some old beat up photo from some point around The holidays . But hasn't seen that photo in years .
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
