Cleveland circa '85

[FriendofHenry]

^ Wow! I'm really impressed at what you're able to dig-up. Great job and thanx for your contributions

[Stroccos]

A few more general
Charles comella
James comella
Walter luzuka
Denny kolsa
Eugene ciasullo made at some point
John "skip " felice jr jailed 83
Jospeh illaqua jailed 83


Collinwood
Mike "waterman " Ryan actually got that nickname later in the late 90's , it you want to use it

[Angelo Santino]

Tell me more about Eugene Ciasullo. I thought we had all the members. Is there any other made besides him that I haven't listed?

[Stroccos]

Tell me more about Eugene Ciasullo. I thought we had all the members. Is there any other made besides him that I haven't listed?

You don't need to change , You can leave with him the associates , but I I believe he was made

[Angelo Santino]

And fuck, I'm gonna detest myself for asking, but those lump of '65 Cleveland city associates? You know those 59 names (approximately 177 layers in photoshop). Are you able to separate them like you are with the '85 associates? In other words, did the Collinwood Crew and Hotel Sterling etc exist back then and you're able to document? I sincerely hope that not to be the case but if you can, it's gotta be shown. I've never made shit and not about to start now.

we probably could but it would take some time , there were dozens of crews back then in cleveland

I can do a 3rd Non-Member chart, that'll simplify things. But I will make corrections/additions to the 2 previous ones:
1) Pat Ferrucio, Canton Associate
2) Stefano Randazzo, member, Florida
3) Nickname "Orrie" for Orlando.
4) Carrabia -> Carabbia
5) Photo of Spagnolo
6) *Note: Nicknames for Licavoli "Blackie, Jack White" and DelSanter "Tony Dope" are already on the chart, but if there's any other nicknames spit them out.

[Angelo Santino]

FriendofFamily, I found all that very informative. Salut.

[Stroccos]

And fuck, I'm gonna detest myself for asking, but those lump of '65 Cleveland city associates? You know those 59 names (approximately 177 layers in photoshop). Are you able to separate them like you are with the '85 associates? In other words, did the Collinwood Crew and Hotel Sterling etc exist back then and you're able to document? I sincerely hope that not to be the case but if you can, it's gotta be shown. I've never made shit and not about to start now.

we probably could but it would take some time , there were dozens of crews back then in cleveland

I can do a 3rd Non-Member chart, that'll simplify things. But I will make corrections/additions to the 2 previous ones:
1) Pat Ferrucio, Canton Associate
2) Stefano Randazzo, member, Florida
3) Nickname "Orrie" for Orlando.
4) Carrabia -> Carabbia
5) Photo of Spagnolo
6) *Note: Nicknames for Licavoli "Blackie, Jack White" and DelSanter "Tony Dope" are already on the chart, but if there's any other nicknames spit them out.

Well while your at it lol thank you CC
Well I made a mistake I just realized Thomas San fillipo or how ever you spell it , was dead by 1965
Move tronolone to active

Was it orrie or orlie ?

[Angelo Santino]

Was it orrie or orlie ?

Whatever one you guys are saying, I never heard of Orlando Carabbia before two weeks ago.

As for Tronolone, done. Let me know whatever else.

[FriendofFamily]

Orlie for Orlando <-------

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[FriendofFamily]

FriendofFamily, I found all that very informative. Salut.

I think that will add some clarity in the murky waters of 1985


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[FriendofFamily]

You are going to have to add James Coppola to the McTaggart, Graewe, Zagaria (West) Group - so with the Split with Sinito/Lonardo (East Group) of the Gambling Proceeds for both West and East your going to have to show that somehow.

[Angelo Santino]

You are going to have to add James Coppola to the McTaggart, Graewe, Zagaria (West) Group - so with the Split with Sinito/Lonardo (East Group) of the Gambling Proceeds for both West and East your going to have to show that somehow.

Yeah, I'm currently going through (again) what you posted and extracting what I can. This East Side and West Side stuff is new to me. And Carmen Basile's role in things makes me laugh. I'll have a list of questions by later on today. Thank you again.

[Stroccos]

You are going to have to add James Coppola to the McTaggart, Graewe, Zagaria (West) Group - so with the Split with Sinito/Lonardo (East Group) of the Gambling Proceeds for both West and East your going to have to show that somehow.

Yeah, I'm currently going through (again) what you posted and extracting what I can. This East Side and West Side stuff is new to me. And Carmen Basile's role in things makes me laugh. I'll have a list of questions by later on today. Thank you again.

for the purposes of 1985 there is nothing to show those guys were all arrested , carmen basile was dead, JImmy coppola flipped which fucked the whole zagaria crew. and you also have Gregory Hoven who flipped , and then zagaraia end of flipping thats a great breakdown of the events prior to 85 and good read . so by what 82 the zagaria was basically destroyed

[Ivan]

Stroccos who are the made guys who are still alive? It's Papalardo, Iacobacci, and Carabbia, right?

[Stroccos]

Stroccos who are the made guys who are still alive? It's Papalardo, Iacobacci, and Carabbia, right?

yes if you want to go with documented made guys in 2017
papalardo
iacobacci
carabbia fbi agent hawk claims he was made in prison
Ciasullo 2015/2016 died