New Orleans Family

[Antiliar]

Except for the postcard photo, this looks a lot like an article I wrote in 2010: http://informer-journal.blogspot.com/20 ... f-los.html

[ledblimp]

Or one I did for NCS last year. While I did use the internet to research di Giorgio, among other sources, I didn't read your article specifically that I'm aware of. If your article was published elsewhere online it is possible that I pulled pieces from it. If you're implying I copied it, you're very wrong. The few times that I've ever actually used something written by someone else I state it. I may have used something in the full story I did for NCS but if so it wasn't included here. I put things into my own words but there's only so much you can do with the little bit of info out there and I don't fancy myself as any kind of accomplished author. If there are similarities it's purely coincidental.

[ledblimp]

A few guys I don't have pictures for and very little info on. If anyone has either please add to it.

Joseph "Baby" Matassa
Born April 21 1921, died April 24 1988
Cousin to famed NOLA figure Cosimo Matassa who founded Matassa's Recording studio. Legends such as Fats Domino and Little Richard recorded there.

Partner with Marcello in Pelican Tomato Co.

Nicknamed Baby for his baby face.

Conspired to bribe a juror in a case against Marcello brought by Bobby Kennedy for illegally re-entering the country after the Guatemala deportation.

Thomas "Tony" Catalanotto
Born November 9 1915, died January 15 1983
Made under Marcello.

Owned Tony's Green Room which sat across from the Black Diamond Night Club. Tony's was used much like the Black Diamond for Family meets and discussions. Also owned the Golden Coin in Fat City, no details if it was ever used for anything Family related.

Known for gambling and fencing swag, mainly jewelry.

The Gulotta Family
Calogero Gulotta
Born in 1848 in Sammuca Sicily, died in 1932 in New Orleans.
Came to the U.S.1899, possibly.
Gaspar Gulotta
Born on February 16 1891 (trivia note:same day as the trial for nine Italians started in NOLA for the murder of David Hennessey) in Sammuca Sicily, died December 30 1957.
Nicknamed the Little Mayor of Bourbon St., he apparently controlled or had interest in many of the famous street's clubs from the 20's till his death. Though his father was a part of the Family, I've been told that general opinion was that he was on the fringe of things only with gambling, B drinking and running girls. A well known local figure. Even some nationally as many papers around the country reported on his death.
Peter Gulotta
Born February 12 1896 in Sammuca Sicily (though I've seen birthplace as NOLA as well, if so skews Calogero coming here in 1899), died April 13 1973.
No known outright Family connection but Calogero's other son was better known as Pete Herman, two time bantam weight boxing champ during his career between 1912 and 1922. After he retired he opened a club on Bourbon Street called Pete Herman's Night Club. I'm sure family connections helped out. Had a well known affair with famous NOLA Madame Norma Wallace, some accounts say they were actually married.

Mario R.V. Marino
Born April 14 1928, died May 23 1997 in Las Vegas.
NOLA representative in Las Vegas. Started out working at The Sands casino and eventually owned several in Henderson Nv. In the late 60's Life Magazine published allegations of NOLA D.A. Jim Garrison accepting favors from Marino while in Las Vegas which caused Garrison problems. Though Garrison didn't deny the charges, or that Marino was connected to Marcello(as far as I recall) Garrison stated he didn't see anything wrong with it.

Antonino "Nino" LoScalzo
Born October 5 1943, died November 14 1975.
Info I have is that Marcello brought him over as a Zip though he had ties to the LoScalzo's in Tampa and was Made under Marcello. Not sure as to the circumstances of his early death or where he died but he's buried in Tampa in the same cemetery as Santo Trafficante.

[Antiliar]

Or one I did for NCS last year. While I did use the internet to research di Giorgio, among other sources, I didn't read your article specifically that I'm aware of. If your article was published elsewhere online it is possible that I pulled pieces from it. If you're implying I copied it, you're very wrong. The few times that I've ever actually used something written by someone else I state it. I may have used something in the full story I did for NCS but if so it wasn't included here. I put things into my own words but there's only so much you can do with the little bit of info out there and I don't fancy myself as any kind of accomplished author. If there are similarities it's purely coincidental.

Sorry, but I can't buy that it's purely coincidental. Your article here http://www.nationalcrimesyndicate.com/t ... digiorgio/ includes the same photo of Vito Di Giorgio that's also used here: http://informer-journal.blogspot.com/20 ... f-los.html. The photo was digitally enhanced by Thomas Hunt, the editor/publisher of Informer Journal and was used in my 2010 article. That photo cannot be purely coincidental. The rest of the article is not a word-for-word copy of what I wrote, but it sure does contain a lot of the facts and content that I wrote -- something that no one else has written on in any detail. Meanwhile, your article gives no sources or credit to anyone.

Just so you know, plagiarism does not mean "word-for-word" copying. Here is the legal definition: "The act of appropriating the literary composition of another, or parts or passages of his writings, or the ideas or language of the same, and passing them off as the product of one's own mind." http://thelawdictionary.org/plagiarism/

[ledblimp]

Lol, seriously? That pic is all over the place. Maybe it wasn't when you wrote your piece but it sure as shit made it's way around the internet in the time between. And just for the record, I didn't include the pic, the guy that runs NCS did. I wasn't really too crazy about it especially since the other was a much better one. Did you include the Axman/Monfre/Moreci/violence between factions during the teens? Are you saying that the ONLY place that some of the things I put in there are available ONLY in your piece? That the ONLY way I coulda gotten the info was from YOUR article? If so, please give me a couple of examples of that info that's ONLY available in your article! If it is available ONLY in your article where did you get the info from? Has your article been published online anywhere to where some one can access it without buying the Informer? If so, direct me to it and I'll see if it looks familiar.

[ledblimp]

You know what Antiilar. Something I do agree with you on. I don't post the resources I use with anything that goes on NCS. I was of the mind that most people would realize that I'm not 80 years old or older and that I didn't go through these experiences myself, that info would be taken from other sources to compile a story and since I do it out of pure fun and don't make any money what so ever off it I didn't really think about it. If you read it all the way through you'll notice I did give Gary Jenkins and Vic Di Giorgio credit for specific help and that at the top a credit to a newspaper article. Guess that don't count though. But I'll remedy the situation. Thanks!

[Antiliar]

Yes, I did include the "Axman/Monfre/Moreci/violence between factions during the teens." I got my info by doing research. The article was cited by Mike Dash in his book "The First Family" and more recently by Miriam Davis in "The Axeman of New Orleans," along with several other books. No, it is not available for free since that would defeat the purpose of trying to sell copies.

Mike Dash cited my earlier article from 2008 in a blog he wrote here: http://blogs.forteana.org/node/70

[ledblimp]

Lol, if that's the info that's available ONLY in your article you had better look around. All of that info is available online (just as that pic is), though you have'ta dig for it, and in other books. Haven't read First Family and I believe The Axman book was just recently released so not sure what relevance that has. I wasn't asking if the article was available for free by you or the Informer, was asking if it was put out there anywhere by anyone else as seems to happen quite a bit on the internet. If not and you're sure of that then I didn't read your article. If you want to believe otherwise so be it.

[ledblimp]

Some info I did pull from that Dash blog. Mainly details about Monfre's killing by Esther I believe. Maybe about Pietro Pipitone as well but can't say for sure. Nothing I used is written word for word and I'm not sure how you can accuse me of copying your work by using the names and dates of historical events and people. I guess the info available ONLY in your article wasn't ONLY in your article, lol.

[Angelo Santino]

Antiliar was the sole individual who first discovered Vito Di Giorgio's identity quite a few years ago. He wasn't easy to find and some even concluded previously that the name was a mistake but Antiliar solved it.

[Antiliar]

To be fair, David Critchley discovered Di Giorgio around the same time I did. But I didn't accuse you of copying word-for-word, ledblimp. In fact I wrote the opposite, that you used my material and that it looks like plagiarism. The difference between Mike Dash's article and yours is that Dash was responsible enough to give me credit for my research.

[Angelo Santino]

To be fair, David Critchley discovered Di Giorgio around the same time I did. But I didn't accuse you of copying word-for-word, ledblimp. In fact I wrote the opposite, that you used my material and that it looks like plagiarism. The difference between Mike Dash's article and yours is that Dash was responsible enough to give me credit for my research.

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[ledblimp]

To be fair, David Critchley discovered Di Giorgio around the same time I did. But I didn't accuse you of copying word-for-word, ledblimp. In fact I wrote the opposite, that you used my material and that it looks like plagiarism. The difference between Mike Dash's article and yours is that Dash was responsible enough to give me credit for my research.

You accused me of copying your work, a couple of times. I told you straight out the internet was one of my sources. You insisted the info was ONLY in your article. That was wrong. I applaud you for the Vito discovery. My aim is not to take away from what anyone did but to share what I find out about NOLA history with others as it seems to be a lacking subject. Vito was one I found interesting and when I hooked up with his great grandson looking for info on Vito it got me motivated to find more. Again, not sure how you can accuse me of copying your work, whether or not it's word for word, when I used historical dates and names and described events in my own words. As I said, I'll remedy the situation in the future with NCS and do what I can for past stories posted up there.

It's too bad you seem to have a problem with me. I think I'd be able to have some good conversations with you and pick your brain, giving you full credit of course.

[Antiliar]

This is what I wrote:

The rest of the article is not a word-for-word copy of what I wrote, but it sure does contain a lot of the facts and content that I wrote -- something that no one else has written on in any detail. Meanwhile, your article gives no sources or credit to anyone.

Plagiarism is using someone else's work -- it DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COPYING WORD FOR WORD -- without giving credit to the original author. If you want to give me credit in your article as Mike Dash did, that would go a long way toward fixing the problem. If you used Mike Dash's blog as a source, he states clearly that the info in that piece came from me. The photo obviously came from the article, and if someone else illegally copied it, it doesn't mean you're supposed to use it without credit (usually photos require permission, but all I'm asking for is credit). So I'm not asking you to take down your article, just to be fair in giving the original source due credit. If you do that, then I'm good and I'll consider this matter closed.

[ledblimp]

You don't seem to understand. I didn't plagiarize your article. Never read it. Using a couple of names and dates from that blog and describing the general events isn't plagiarizing anything. I dunno if you think you have ownership of historical events or you're just mad because someone else took an interest in the same subject but I'm gonna give you a nice shout out on the NCS to put it all to bed. Just wondering, in about two minutes of searching I found the same pic in Americanmafia.com, Mafia Wiki and on pintrest. Are you gonna contact them and cause the same ruckus you have with me over it?