Cleveland circa '85

[FriendofHenry]

Now I'm really confused, which is nothing new for me. Why no RC on the list?

Concur (if RC is in reference to Carabia). We've gone over him being an associate with CL circa 1965 but I assumed he was made later. Yet on the 1985 chart (on page 1) he wasn't listed as made either. Interestingly Dominic Mallamo is as an inactive member, unless he later switched from PT to Cl like Caravallo is rumored to have done, that isn't accurate.

Yes Ronald carabbia, he was in prison for the Danny Green hit in 85 .

We need JCB to chime in. I'm sure he said that RC was was made while he was in prison. In what year would be another question.
I guess I'm somewhat surprised that he wasn't made before 1985 as he was the Cleveland guy in Mahoning County prior to 1985.

[Pogo The Clown]

Pogo, did you ever make a chronological list of when CL members were made like you did with NY? Just curious.

Here are a few more details on the Cleveland ceremonies.

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1977: (the basement of the Roman Gardens Restaurant in Murray Hill)
Anthony “Tony Lib” Liberatore
John Calandra
-Those present include Boss James “Jack White” Licavoli, UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo, Consiglieri Anthony “Tony Dope” DelSanter and Los Angeles Acting Boss Aladena "Jimmy the Weasel" Fratianno.


Summer 1979: (back room of the Italian-American Brotherhood Club on Mayfield Road in the Murray Hill District)
Thomas "Tommy The Chinaman" Sinito
Joseph “Joe” Gallo
-Those present include Boss James “Jack White” Licavoli, UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo and Soldier Cologero “Charlie” Casara


Early 1983:
Joseph “Joe Loose” Iacobacci
Russell Papalardo
-Ceremony conducted by Acting Boss/UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo. Don't think anyone else was present.

[Angelo Santino]

Pogo, did you ever make a chronological list of when CL members were made like you did with NY? Just curious.

Here are a few more details on the Cleveland ceremonies.

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1977: (the basement of the Roman Gardens Restaurant in Murray Hill)
Anthony “Tony Lib” Liberatore
John Calandra
-Those present include Boss James “Jack White” Licavoli, UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo, Consiglieri Anthony “Tony Dope” DelSanter and Los Angeles Acting Boss Aladena "Jimmy the Weasel" Fratianno.


Summer 1979: (back room of the Italian-American Brotherhood Club on Mayfield Road in the Murray Hill District)
Thomas "Tommy The Chinaman" Sinito
Joseph “Joe” Gallo
-Those present include Boss James “Jack White” Licavoli, UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo and Soldier Cologero “Charlie” Casara


Early 1983:
Joseph “Joe Loose” Iacobacci
Russell Papalardo
-Ceremony conducted by Acting Boss/UnderBoss Angelo Lonardo. Don't think anyone else was present.

Very detailed and informative. 1983 is the last documented ceremony then?

One minor thing, Fratianno was Acting Underboss for LA. It's confusing because TLM by Demaris really takes pains to make him out to be the ultimate authority. But even in the book Louis Tom Dragna makes it clear from the first meeting that Dragna is the top guy but that Fratianno would be doing most of the lifting. Instead Fratianno made members, went around the country introducing himself as the Acting Boss. It was the basis for the case Brooklier made that Fratianno 'misrepresented' himself and Rizzitello's ceremony wasn't recognized by Brooklier so he got sanctioned by Dellacroce to run his own thing in LA. I believe he's referred to his Acting Under in his second book Vengeance is mine. And I was told by Kenji that Fiato knew Fratianno, whatever the case he was referred to as Acting Under there also.

Not nitpicking.

[Pogo The Clown]

1983 is the last documented ceremony then?

Yes. I've seen mention of Alfred "Allie" Calabrese and Pasquale Cisterino being made during this era but Lonardo made no mention of their inductions. Maybe Cisterino was made in prison and Calabrese was made post 1983 by Tronolone?


Pogo

[Stroccos]

1983 is the last documented ceremony then?

Yes. I've seen mention of Alfred "Allie" Calabrese and Pasquale Cisterino being made during this era but Lonardo made no mention of their inductions. Maybe Cisterino was made in prison and Calabrese was made post 1983 by Tronolone?


Pogo

calabrese was not made by tronolone in 83 he split from the mob after he beat the greene case until later coming back into the fold he would of been made in the early 90s if he was straightend out

[Pogo The Clown]

Do we know if Tronolone made anyone during his time as Boss? We know he lived in Florida during this period. Not sure how often he made it up to Cleveland.


Pogo

[Stroccos]

Do we know if Tronolone made anyone during his time as Boss? We know he lived in Florida during this period. Not sure how often he made it up to Cleveland.


Pogo

I believe ciasullo was made at some point ,I was told he got his button so he could deal with other crime families as they wanted to deal with made guys etc. Eugene always denied this

[Stroccos]

Inactive members in 85 please feel free to add , your thoughts , etc
JImmy lafatch
Tony lafatch
Alfred polizzi
Ralph carpinelli
Tony panzarella
sal papalardo
slyvester papalardo
paul demaio
paul lamonge
dominic sospirato

randazzo transfered to tampa and mallamo was with pitt ?

[Angelo Santino]

1) Not sure about Randazzo, Scott Deitche might know something.
2) Unless Mallamo transferred to Cleveland later on, JCB will definitely know.

On the chart on page 1, as per the crews, was everyone under the captains associates or were any made?

[Stroccos]

1) Not sure about Randazzo, Scott Deitche might know something.
2) Unless Mallamo transferred to Cleveland later on, JCB will definitely know.

On the chart on page 1, as per the crews, was everyone under the captains associates or were any made?

He moved to Florida , was A close with santo trafficante jr
All associates

[Angelo Santino]

1) Not sure about Randazzo, Scott Deitche might know something.
2) Unless Mallamo transferred to Cleveland later on, JCB will definitely know.

On the chart on page 1, as per the crews, was everyone under the captains associates or were any made?

He moved to Florida , was A close with santo trafficante jr

Is there anything further? I know less than nothing about both men but I do know that members (of different families) like to congregate and be around each other. It's why the FBI had such a difficult time sorting out who was with CL or PB along the state line.

Again, I don't know these men so I have nothing else to add other than that "family switching" appeared exceedingly rare and generally the result of irreconcilable differences brought about by some internal tension.

[Stroccos]

1) Not sure about Randazzo, Scott Deitche might know something.
2) Unless Mallamo transferred to Cleveland later on, JCB will definitely know.

On the chart on page 1, as per the crews, was everyone under the captains associates or were any made?

He moved to Florida , was A close with santo trafficante jr

Is there anything further? I know less than nothing about both men but I do know that members (of different families) like to congregate and be around each other. It's why the FBI had such a difficult time sorting out who was with CL or PB along the state line.

Again, I don't know these men so I have nothing else to add other than that "family switching" appeared exceedingly rare and generally the result of irreconcilable differences brought about by some internal tension.

Well I believe randaZZO was dead by 85 anyway , he retired to FlorIdia, not sure what his role was , if any was with Tampa

[Pogo The Clown]

There was also the Sam DeLa-something that was listed as an inactive member in 1985.


Pogo

[sdeitche]

1) Not sure about Randazzo, Scott Deitche might know something.
2) Unless Mallamo transferred to Cleveland later on, JCB will definitely know.

On the chart on page 1, as per the crews, was everyone under the captains associates or were any made?

Stefano Randazzo died in 1981, so listing him as inactive in 1985 is a pretty spot on!

I don't recall offhand when he moved to Florida, but he was there full time from at least 1961 through his death in 1981. He lived for a while in Miami, just on the mainland from North Bay Village. In the early 60s he worked with Vincent Palmisano at Ciro's, a well-known mob hangout in Miami Beach. In 1962, he opened Randazzo's restaurant on Normandy Shores in Miami Beach (now a Chinese restaurant). He was often seen in the company of Trafficante, driving him as well as often meeting with him and other Tampa family members in both South Florida and Tampa. He seems to drop off surveillance reports with Trafficante in the 1970s.

I don't know if Randazzo ever came over "officially" to the Tampa family, but he was certainly in the inner circle in South Florida- he is listed as a Cleveland member in Ft Lauderdale police report of 1967. One thing to keep in mind back then in Miami was that there were many instances of mobsters from different families working closely with each other. Take for example Gambino made guys Agostino Amato and his son Vincent and Frank. They were so close to Trafficante, they had the mortgage on Santo's Tampa home, in their name.

I have more info on Randazzo in my hard copy files. With the hurricane coming, I dont have time to post more, but will after it passes.

[Angelo Santino]

Ok so that's moot.

We got inactive members down.

You wrote that in '85 Milton Rockman was an unofficial consig. Added. Is there any other administrative changes/additions?

After that, we'll focus on the crews.