Magliocco, Columbo, Lucchese and Gambino

[SonnyBlackstein]

In Donnie Brascos book Pistone talks about how guys who tell on other guys within LCN are despised, outcast and often clipped. He relates a tale when he's with Jilly that I can't quite recall but suffice to say if a guy tells on another guy to his Capo or soldier superior then they are distrusted as the view is 'if they're telling on that guy, what's to stop them telling on me?'.

Makes sense.

Maybe that's part of the reason for the Gallo war. Columbo was distrusted within the LCN community.

[OlBlueEyesClub]

The Gallo-Profaci war was mainly over the fact that the Gallo brothers felt they weren't being compensated enough for their work, mainly the hit on Frankie Shots Abbatemarco. They felt that because they supposedly carried out this high profile hit for Profaci, that Profaci would reward them with Abbatemarco's rackets, instead Profaci split Abbatemarco's action with his cronies whom happened to be captains mostly, and he left the Gallos out. That made Profaci the main target, I believe. And the kidnappings were done as an attempt to make Profaci step down, or give Larry, perhaps Joey as well, a higher position in the family. Colombo was more of afterthought, but he was most likely a guy whom Profaci liked and trusted, so that may be why he was kidnapped with the others. In fact, I'm almost positive Profaci thought highly of Colombo because all of the other kidnapped victims were all guys whom were close to Profaci, like his brother, his brother-in-law Magliocco, and then Colombo. So it seems like he was pretty popular within the Profaci-Colombo family, at least. Had it not been for Charlie The Sidge, whom supposedly used his stature and respectability to negotiate with the Gallos to release those who they had kidnapped and hidden, who knows if Colombo or Magliocco would've lived long enough to sit in the boss chair.


And I believe you're referring to the Patsy story from Pistone, Patsy & Frankie. I thought I remembered reading that too, that they were screamed on by Jilly for sending word around that Pistone was this and that, and how he sold Patsy fake diamonds. But I went back to that passage just now and couldn't find it. The closest I got was after Patsy comes back after receiving word that Pistone was vouched for by his criminal miami contact. And Pistone feigning being pissed and getting into a physical altercation with Patsy, and a member of the crew, named Chino or something like that, getting in between them and saying he didn't want to hear anything else about "Donnie" being a rat. Oddly enough, the guy who began accusing Pistone of being a rat, Patsy, flipped himself later on and was placed in the WPP. And Pistones Miami contact happened to be a fed, as the number Pistone gave went back to an FBI building and the office of his supervising officer. Lol. Shame though, all of what Pistone wrote about him, it seems like Jilly was a pretty decent guy, he was murdered by after being shot while riding his motorcycle. I've never heard much of the story surrounding his death, hopefully some of the guys here can shed some light on that situation as I've always been interested in that part of Pistones story.

[Doobeez]

I read it somewhere but I believe Greca was clipped because they thought he was an informant

[Pogo The Clown]

In Donnie Brascos book Pistone talks about how guys who tell on other guys within LCN are despised, outcast and often clipped. He relates a tale when he's with Jilly that I can't quite recall but suffice to say if a guy tells on another guy to his Capo or soldier superior then they are distrusted as the view is 'if they're telling on that guy, what's to stop them telling on me?'.

Makes sense.

The story was in reference to Jilly and the guy's lying about about their scores to their Capo Charlie Panarella. Panarella didn't trust his crew and had them bring in their scores so he could count it and divide it up. One of the guy's, forgot who, said something to the effect of "fuck him, if he don't trust us we won't trust. We'll just tell him we made x amount. How the fuck will he know the difference". Pistone talked about how Panarella could find out about it if one of the guy's snitched to him but how it was unlikely because those types of snitches are despised as you said.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

You're not just a pretty face Pogo.

Isn't Charlie Moose still alive?

[willychichi]

What if anything did Gambino have to do with Colombo becoming the Boss and were the Profaci's/Colombo's able to regain their territory they lost to Gambino and Lucchese? Were there any reprisals against Bonanno for his involvement?

[BillyBrizzi]

You're not just a pretty face Pogo.

Isn't Charlie Moose still alive?

He still is, 92 years of age.. Does anybody know if he's still active?

[Pogo The Clown]

What if anything did Gambino have to do with Colombo becoming the Boss and were the Profaci's/Colombo's able to regain their territory they lost to Gambino and Lucchese? Were there any reprisals against Bonanno for his involvement?

Gambino and Lucchese pushed for him to become the new Boss. From all accounts Gambino had tremendous influence over Colombo when he was Boss. Basically controlling the Colombo family vote on the Commission.


Lucchese and Gambino were of course responsible (along with Stefano Magaddino) in deposing Bonanno by backing Gaspare DiGregorio and his faction
to take over the family.


Pogo

[Pogo The Clown]

He still is, 92 years of age.. Does anybody know if he's still active?

From all accounts he is inactive.


Pogo

[willychichi]

What if anything did Gambino have to do with Colombo becoming the Boss and were the Profaci's/Colombo's able to regain their territory they lost to Gambino and Lucchese? Were there any reprisals against Bonanno for his involvement?

Gambino and Lucchese pushed for him to become the new Boss. From all accounts Gambino had tremendous influence over Colombo when he was Boss. Basically controlling the Colombo family vote on the Commission.


Lucchese and Gambino were of course responsible (along with Stefano Magaddino) in deposing Bonanno by backing Gaspare DiGregorio and his faction
to take over the family.


Pogo

Thanks Pogo, much obliged!!