Magliocco, Columbo, Lucchese and Gambino

[willychichi]

Why was Joe Magliocco allowed to retire after ordering the hits on Tommy Lucchese and Carlo Gambino and why did Joe Columbo warn Lucchese and Gambino?

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Perhaps Colombo saw it as an opportunity to advance to higher positions within his family. I don't know if a reason was ever given for that to be honest, if it was I don't recall it.

[willychichi]

Perhaps Colombo saw it as an opportunity to advance to higher positions within his family. I don't know if a reason was ever given for that to be honest, if it was I don't recall it.

Thanks OBE.

From what I have read Magliocco ordered the hits because Gambino and Lucchese sided with the Gallo brothers so why didn't Joey Gallo take over? I'm surprised that Magliocco was allowed to retire after giving the contract to Colombo to take out the heads of two other families, seems odd? Not to mention that Bonanno was backing Magliocco in order to raise his chances of taking over the commission with Gambino and Lucchese out of the way.

[Pogo The Clown]

Lucchese and Gambino didn't just side with the Gallos but were backing and funding their coup attempt. That's why Magliocco wanted them dead. Even though the Gallos once kidnapped and abused him Colombo went and betrayed Magliocco to Lucchese and Gambino. Shows you want a treacherous snake Joe Colombo was.


Pogo

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Forgot that Colombo was one of the guys the Gallos had kidnapped, in an effort to make Profaci step down as boss. I know guys don't like to use his book as reference (The President Street Boys), but the author spoke a lot about the Profaci/Gallo war, but a lot of the things he spoke on was accurate, things that may not be all that common knowledge, like Gambino backing the Gallo's in that whole thing. Magliocco absolutely hated the Gallos for that, because as the story goes, he pissed his pants out of fear he would be killed.

[furiofromnaples]

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Bonanno wanted Gambino and Lucchese dead because they don't wanted that Bonanno put his flag on arizona and los angeles (also desimone should die and bonanno send his son bill and 40 made men to take over L.A.) and used Magliocco ,that the commission considered weak due the gallo rebellion, for do the dirty work. After Colombo said all to the commission,magliocco that had a bad health can retire (and died a year later.

[JeremyTheJew]

speaking of snakes... what was persico doing at this time? in prison?

[Dwalin2014]

I think if would have been cool if Colombo didn't rat out Magliocco, and the hits on Gambino, Lucchese and Magaddino were successfully carried out. Not only 3 "untouchables" who never had serious problems with neither law enforcement nor mafia rivals, would have been "taught a lesson" (poetic justice), but it would have been interesting to see what would have Bonanno (the instigator of the plot) done. Magliocco was dying already, would Bonanno have tried to formally restore the "boss of bosses" position for himself? Or would he just put "puppet" bosses in the other families, while becoming "non official" boss of bosses anyway? In this case, would the the whole mafia really temporarily be controlled by 1 single person? Or would the murdered bosses' loyalists try to take revenge and start a large scale mafia war? Anyway, Colombo was a scumbag when he saved Gambino's, Lucchese's and Magaddino's lives by informing on Magliocco. If somebody who passes information to law enforcement is a "rat", then somebody who informs on his boss to underworld rivals, is a rat too imo. What's the difference? It's still being disloyal. Fuck Colombo.

[Pogo The Clown]

speaking of snakes... what was persico doing at this time? in prison?

He was a high ranking Soldier reporting direct to the UnderBoss. Soon after this mess he was promoted to Capo.

I think if would have been cool if Colombo didn't rat out Magliocco, and the hits on Gambino, Lucchese and Magaddino were successfully carried out.

I don't think Magadinno was a target. I think he just claimed he was later on to gain leverage against Bonanno in their beef. It is also questionable wether Joe Bonanno was bhind it either.


Pogo

[furiofromnaples]

I think if would have been cool if Colombo didn't rat out Magliocco, and the hits on Gambino, Lucchese and Magaddino were successfully carried out. Not only 3 "untouchables" who never had serious problems with neither law enforcement nor mafia rivals, would have been "taught a lesson" (poetic justice), but it would have been interesting to see what would have Bonanno (the instigator of the plot) done. Magliocco was dying already, would Bonanno have tried to formally restore the "boss of bosses" position for himself? Or would he just put "puppet" bosses in the other families, while becoming "non official" boss of bosses anyway? In this case, would the the whole mafia really temporarily be controlled by 1 single person? Or would the murdered bosses' loyalists try to take revenge and start a large scale mafia war? Anyway, Colombo was a scumbag when he saved Gambino's, Lucchese's and Magaddino's lives by informing on Magliocco. If somebody who passes information to law enforcement is a "rat", then somebody who informs on his boss to underworld rivals, is a rat too imo. What's the difference? It's still being disloyal. Fuck Colombo.

For sure Bonanno would control L.A. and Arizona thanks to his son bill; I don't think that would restore the capo dei capi position,the time was changed and lucchese and Gambino capos would easly rebel against bonanno and would be the same a banana war.

[BillyBrizzi]

If somebody who passes information to law enforcement is a "rat", then somebody who informs on his boss to underworld rivals, is a rat too imo. What's the difference? It's still being disloyal. Fuck Colombo.

Well said Dwalin, I co-sign that statement 100%

[UTC]

If somebody who passes information to law enforcement is a "rat", then somebody who informs on his boss to underworld rivals, is a rat too imo. What's the difference? It's still being disloyal. Fuck Colombo.

Well said Dwalin, I co-sign that statement 100%

The difference is huge and cuts to the core of LCN. The first is a breach of omerta. The second isn't.

[Dwalin2014]

Well said Dwalin, I co-sign that statement 100%

The difference is huge and cuts to the core of LCN. The first is a breach of omerta. The second isn't.

If the 2nd isn't a breach of omerta', they are more hypocrites than I thought. What logic did they have, when writing this so-called "code of honor"? A cop is an enemy, so leaking information to them and/or testifying is treason, ok. But if an underworld rival happens to be an enemy too, why are mafiosi who switched sides or spied on their bosses for the rival clan. considered less "traitors" that the ones who spy for the cops? An enemy is an enemy. The cop wants to jail you for life, the rival wants to kill you. What "loyalty" do they talk about it double crossing your own boss isn't considered a breach of the "code of honor?"

[furiofromnaples]

Well said Dwalin, I co-sign that statement 100%

The difference is huge and cuts to the core of LCN. The first is a breach of omerta. The second isn't.

If the 2nd isn't a breach of omerta', they are more hypocrites than I thought. What logic did they have, when writing this so-called "code of honor"? A cop is an enemy, so leaking information to them and/or testifying is treason, ok. But if an underworld rival happens to be an enemy too, why are mafiosi who switched sides or spied on their bosses for the rival clan. considered less "traitors" that the ones who spy for the cops? An enemy is an enemy. The cop wants to jail you for life, the rival wants to kill you. What "loyalty" do they talk about it double crossing your own boss isn't considered a breach of the "code of honor?"

Dwalin the concept of omertà means to don't speak with who are out of the secret society. Colombo don't break the omertà when said to commission the Magliocco plan. The commission was above the single bosses.

[willychichi]

Speaking of Colombo his birthday was on June 16th and someone wished him a happy birthday in the NYDN obits, a Big Lou From Avenue U.

http://obituaries.nydailynews.com/obitu ... =185816797