Bellomo admitted running the Genovese?

[JeremyTheJew]

I was reading the old gangland article where Bellomo was announced official boss.And someone brought up that in a old case (I'm guessing the one with the lie detector?) He admitted to not only being in the Genovese, but he admitted he ran it!

That's just surprising to me....

Is this true? And what are the circumstances that made this okay for him as well as even getting the top spot afterwards?

Why would he even want it after admitting that!?

[B.]

I'd have to see an actual transcript and/or the article you're talking about, but many organized crime plea deals require defendants to admit guilt to the crime(s), acknowledge the existence of the organization, and acknowledge their role in the organization. I am guessing as part of his plea deal, Bellomo had to admit he had been the acting boss (as he was charged) which is different than him casually dropping that he ran the family out of nowhere.

On one hand a lot of plea deals force them to "break omerta", but in exchange a lot of information doesn't get shared as it would in open court. The government may get them to admit there is a mafia with a boss, underboss, etc. and they commit crimes for a mob family, but that information is already made available as soon as an indictment hits. They can on the other hand prevent witness testimony and other evidence from going public if they cut a deal.

[bronx]

cosa nostra is a thing of the past, he did take a polygraph test, today it is a matter of cosa mio..the rules of the good ole days are no longer in play..you had bosses admit to cosa nostra. riina is going to testify, there goes the neighborhood

[toto]

Riina is not going to testify. He will be questioned and give answers like he did in the past. The criminal procedure is different to America.

[bronx]

giving answers? what would you call it? will they ask himabout cosa nostra? crimes ect.? thank you

[toto]

They put Nino Rotolo for questioning about how the Inzerillo's didn't forget and they are coming for him and he pretty much said he was just bullshitting and lying on the bug where he said all these things.

When they asked Riina about Cosa Nostra in the past he said he only heard it in the news and he's a simple man who didn't know how to post a letter.

[bronx]

he also said to the witness when say corleonese wash your mouth with acid, but why is he going to talk now , why would they bring him out to lie again/ i think this time he gives info on the political connections he had..he is and angry frustrated man..he hates prison..he may just talk..what do you hear Toto/ ?

[JeremyTheJew]

I'd have to see an actual transcript and/or the article you're talking about, but many organized crime plea deals require defendants to admit guilt to the crime(s), acknowledge the existence of the organization, and acknowledge their role in the organization. I am guessing as part of his plea deal, Bellomo had to admit he had been the acting boss (as he was charged) which is different than him casually dropping that he ran the family out of nowhere.

On one hand a lot of plea deals force them to "break omerta", but in exchange a lot of information doesn't get shared as it would in open court. The government may get them to admit there is a mafia with a boss, underboss, etc. and they commit crimes for a mob family, but that information is already made available as soon as an indictment hits. They can on the other hand prevent witness testimony and other evidence from going public if they cut a deal.

I'm going to find where I read this. I will admit, I found it while reading posts on GBB , but it does make sense what you said. So really; Theres not much more to look into.

As for Riina... I did not realize that he was scheduled to even testify. Against or for who? Where can I find some write ups about this?

This Is very far fetched I'm sure, but he wouldn't have any kind of knowledge on the whole Canada situation would he?

[Charlie]

This really is nothing new like B explained.
That case was a bit special though, they were going for the death penalty on Bellomo, which is why he took the polygraph (successfully if my memory serves me right). The feds also wanted to issue supboenas to compell him and Generoso to testify in Gigante's trial...So it really was a complex situation.
The only guy who rolled the dice and went to trial is still is jail by the way...Jimmy Ida was sentenced to life without parole for this very case. Seems to me it was worth admitting to being acting boss of a not so secret society anymore.

[JeremyTheJew]

it makes more sense now that I think about it.... when you pled guilty you do have to admit such and such.

it was just a surprise that he would admit to being the head of the Gen, and then eventually become the official head!

[Wiseguy]

It seems the Genovese took the most pragmatic approach when they led the way with taking plea deals (which often include allocution) in order to minimize time in prison and be out as soon as possible. It appears Ida didnt get the memo however.

[Pogo The Clown]

From I what I recall it was the Ida situation which led to that change in the Genovese family.


Pogo

[bronx]

Hello Jeremy, if you take the deal that is offered with the stipulation of admitting to x y or z.that is up to you. but if you are not happy with what they want, you can refuse, maybe more time or even trial..i agree to admit being the boss or a boss or anything mafia was a death sentence in days gone by , but after persico, badalamente, and many others , you can not blame barney or anyone else in todays times..for Charlie post, the G can give you a few types of subpoena's . all of you do not have to ever answer questions, you can take the fifth.the one they give you immunity can put you in jail for the life of the grand jury if you do not answer,if you are a major target ,you will never get that one..you would be able to admit to 10 murders and never be charged ..so if they gave it to barney ,he would have gotten ,what is called dead time if your doing prison time already,your sentence stops while you do the contempt charge .

[Lupara]

What horrible crime did Bellomo commit for them to seek the death penalty? Did he rape and murder a 4 year old or something?

[Hailbritain]

From I what I recall it was the Ida situation which led to that change in the Genovese family.


Pogo

Yeah I remember capeci reporting on this , Ida was pissed that bellomo took a plea , they put him in protective custody in prison for a while because of it