20s to 90s Chicago had almost 200 made members?

[Lupara]

This is a possible explanation for the 300 number in the FBI report, assuming that it's accurate. I personally take no position on the actual figure since I don't know.

It's worth pointing out that when Salvatore Maranzano recognized Al Capone as the Chicago fratellanza boss, that ended the career of the figurehead Mafia boss, Toto Lo Verde.

Was this Toto La Verde the successor of Aiello and rival of Capone?

[Snakes]

I guess I meant the three smaller families average sizes, not necessarily their peaks.

[Antiliar]

This is a possible explanation for the 300 number in the FBI report, assuming that it's accurate. I personally take no position on the actual figure since I don't know.

It's worth pointing out that when Salvatore Maranzano recognized Al Capone as the Chicago fratellanza boss, that ended the career of the figurehead Mafia boss, Toto Lo Verde.

Was this Toto La Verde the successor of Aiello and rival of Capone?

He was the successor of Aiello but more of a puppet of Capone.

[Villain]

Thanks guys I really appreaciate it.

I have to admit that Antiliar made few good points, meaning we cannot rush to conclusions, mostly because we have very little details on what was really going on within the Outfit, especially on who was made and who was not since they were quite complicated during that period. But as I previousl;y said that we can at least approximately form a number of made guys within the Outfit with the help of reliable informations and also we have to include someone's guesses, which obviously must be backed with at least some strong speculations, not exactly facts, but detailed situations in which those individuals were involved in. For example, sometimes for me its enough to know for sure that "John Doe" attended the same meeting with Paul Ricca and Tony Accardo, if you know what i mean? Or for example when a non-Italian gangster says to an alleged Italian made member to "shut up" or"dont do this" or "do that"...

As for the old members from the Outfit, meaning the ones who were possibly made previous of the establishment of the Capone mob as a part of Cosa Nostra, I think that most of those guys were killed, demoted, retired or shelved by the late 1940's, especially the guys from the North Side. Also many members from the west and south sides were quite dead such as Rocco Fanelli, Dago Mangano or James Belcastro. Obviously there were a handful of others who continued to operate through the 1950's and even further, guys like Nuccio (Gloriana?), DiBella (Aiello?), Brancato, Taglia (West Side)... Also if we give or take like 5 or 10 members from the previously given numbers, still the numbers wont change much and again, I think that Chicago's numbers mostly depend on the non-Italians. I mean even if exclude the non-Italians, still there arent enough big time Italian names during that period that we know of so we can reach at least some high number like 150 or such...

[Fughedaboutit]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

[Villain]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

[Lupara]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

So does this list of supposed made members include all the Italian associates of the Outfit or specifically the ones who you think were made?

[Snakes]

I feel like we're beating a dead horse here, but I think what's important to remember and emphasize here is that the Outfit itself - past, present, and future - was not exclusively an LCN organization like the other families. This is mostly because the Outfit as an organization predates LCN influence and was largely a heterogeneous mixture of ethnicities. The Italian LCN eventually became the core of the group but other "members" of the Outfit (associates) still played roles that were just as important, if not more-so, than the Outfit's made LCN members. The individuals mentioned by Villain were prime examples but even later on, guys like Frank Schweihs and Michael Posner played extremely important roles in the Outfit's structure.

[Villain]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

So does this list of supposed made members include all the Italian associates of the Outfit or specifically the ones who you think were made?

Only the ones i think were made. It is almost impossible to include every Italian associate.

Snakes thank you for another good point.

[Fughedaboutit]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

Well, in that case you can add in Lansky and people like him for NY....who had more clout than some made members...

See where we are going with this? lol

I mean, you can call them different things...members instead of associates...etc

But they were not made members of the outfit.

[Villain]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

Well, in that case you can add in Lansky and people like him for NY....who had more clout than some made members...

See where we are going with this? lol

I mean, you can call them different things...members instead of associates...etc

But they were not made members of the outfit.

I totally undestand you but you have to undestand that Lansky did not sat on the same table with Vito Genovese and talked about the affairs and problems within his crime family...well the truth is that Humphreys and Alex did share tables with the Italians and together brought important decisions on daily basis regarding their crime family and there are countless wiretapped convos for you to explore...

[Villain]

Also....Lansky worked for these guys or in other words he "opened doors" but in Chicago, Ross Prio one of the most respectable Sicilian capos around the country was forced to share territories with Lenny Patrick during one period...

[Fughedaboutit]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

Well, in that case you can add in Lansky and people like him for NY....who had more clout than some made members...

See where we are going with this? lol

I mean, you can call them different things...members instead of associates...etc

But they were not made members of the outfit.

I totally undestand you but you have to undestand that Lansky did not sat on the same table with Vito Genovese and talked about the affairs and problems within his crime family...well the truth is that Humphreys and Alex did share tables with the Italians and together brought important decisions on daily basis regarding their crime family and there are countless wiretapped convos for you to explore...

any links to somewhere that contains the taps?

taps are one of my favorite things!

a good wiretap and a good surveillance shot! lol

[Villain]

I’m not trying to start any shit but this thread got me thinking and I quickly made this list of Outfit members during its peak (I picked the 1950 and 60’s) and to try and make some conclusion…


Members which I believe were made before 1950’s and after that were considered the top administration for the whole organization. Some of these guys were deported or retired during this period or some were brought back from retirement. Also some died or were killed or even jailed during the same time and were possibly replaced by other members. Here they are:


1. Paul Ricca
2. Louis Campagna
3. Charles Fischetti
4. Rocco Fischetti
5. Ralph Capone
6. John Capone
7. Tony Capezio
8. Ross Prio
9. Tony Pinelli
10. Dominick Roberto
11. Jim Emery
12. Frank LaPorte
13. Phil D’Andrea
14. Rocco DeGrazia
15. Bruno Roti
16. Joe Fusco
17. James Adduci
18. John Roberto
19. Louis Fratto
20. John Roselli
21. Nick Circella
22. Frank Maritote
23. Charles Gioe
24. Tony Accardo
25. Sam Giancana
26. Sam Battaglia
27. Marshall Caifano
28. Frank Ferraro
29. Joey Aiuppa


Other members which some were also considered as top administration but still I believe it is possible that some of them were also previously made and held special positions within the organization and usually had higher authority over some of the members. Again, some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

30. Dominick Nuccio
31. Dominick DiBella
32. Rocco Pranno
33. Jack Cerone
34. Pat Marcy
35. Joe DiVarco
36. Jimmy Allegretti
37. Phil Alderisio
38. Charles Nicoletti
39. Sam English
40. Charles English
41. Sam DeStefano
42. Guido DeChiaro
43. Ned Bakes
44. William Aloisio
45. Jimmy Catuara
46. Leonard Gianola
47. Leonard Caifano
48. Vincent Ioli
49. Rocco DeStefano
50. Pat Manno
51. Ralph Buglio
52. Butch Blasi
53. Joe Amato
54. Sharky Eulo
55. Rocco Potenza
56. Sam Rosa
57. Joey Glimco
58. Joe Mendino
59. Richard Scalzetti
60. Tony D’Andrea
61. Romeo Nappi
62. John Lardino
Fred Roti


Other possible made members during the 1950’s and 60’s, and again some of these fellas were killed or jailed during the same time period:

63. Mario DeStefano
64. Tony Spilotro
65. Joseph Lombardo
66. Angelo LaPietra
67. Frank Buccieri
68. Joseph Lisciandrello
69. Frank Lisciandrello
70. Charles DiCaro
71. John DeBiase
72. Frank Tornabene
73. Mike Glitta
74. Joseph Capizzi
75. Tony DeMonte
76. Dominic Brancato
77. Armando Fosco
78. Louis Ciriona
79. Vince Solano
80. Larry Buonaguidi
81. Augie Circella
82. Sam Parde
83. Nicky Visco
84. Queenie Simonelli
85. Willie Messino
86. Ernest Sansone
87. Sam Marcelli
88. Joe Amabile
89. Rocco Salvatore
90. Joe Rocco
91. Ben Fillichio
92. Pasquale Clementi
93. John Zitto
94. Paul Labriola
95. Albert Frabotta
96. Louis Briatta
97. Louis Tornabene
98. Charles Bertucci
99. Nick Garambone
100. Tony Maenza
101. Morris Caruso
102. Sam Cesario
103. Frank Fratto
104. Robert Ansani
105. Bucky Ortenzi
106. Larry Rassano
107. Carl Fiorito
108. Leonard Calamia
109. James Torello
110. George Tuffanelli
111. Joe Guzzino
112. Tommy Morgano
113. Frank Zizzo
114. Tony Gruttadauro
115. John Formosa
116. Donald Angelini
117. Eco Coli
118. Dominic Cortina
119. Vincent Inserro
120. James Mirro
121. Sam Mesi
122. Dominic Palermo
123. Angelo Volpe
124. Joe Ferriola
125. Frank Cerone
126. Pasquale Accettura
127. Carmen Apicella
128. John Mattassa
129. Ted DeRose
130. Nick Palermo
131. John Varelli
132. Emil Crovedi
133. Rocco Montagna
134. Armand D’Andrea
135. Al Pilotto
John Nicastro

I probably forgot some members or maybe I’m wrong about some, and probably Snakes can help me out, but lets say that during its peak or should I say during the 1950’s and 60’s, the Outfit’s Italian membership was over 100 individuals. Now I say “Italian” mainly because these guys belonged to both the Chicago Outfit and Cosa Nostra, which at the time was a national Italian crime syndicate BUT as we know that the Outfit was quite different from the rest of the national crime families, meaning the Chi boys also had many non-Italians as members of the organization, which few were placed on top and mid level positions. These non-Italian fellas were not members of the national Cosa Nostra organization but still they belonged to the Chicago syndicate and were involved in the everyday affairs to its highest levels. Also during that period some of these guys were retired, killed, died of natural causes or some operated in different states and cities. Here they are:

144. Murray Humphreys
145. Jake Guzik
146. Sam Hunt
147. Ralph Pierce
148. Les Kruse
149. Sam Alex
150. Gus Alex
151. Gus Zapas
152. Hyman Larner
153. Joe Epstein
154. Lenny Patrick
154. Jack Patrick
155. Dave Yaras
156. Sam Yaras
157. Louis Arger
158. Phil Katz
159. Julius Epstein
160. Sam Gearis
161. Hy Godfrey
162. Mickey Farr
163. Peter Tremont
164. Arthur Markovitz aka Louis Markle
165. Claude Maddox
166. Joseph Corngold
167. John Varlas
168. William Johnson
169. William Goldstein
170. Ken Eto
171. Joe Arnold
172. Irving Dworetzky aka Dworett
173. Aaron Oberlander
174. Mandel Skar
175. George Bravos
176. Nick Bravos
177. Pete Arnstein
178. Gus Liebe
179. John Drew
180. Louis Lederer
181. Ben Epstein
182. Paul Dorfman
183. William Block
184. Morris Goldstein
185. Frank Rosenthal
186. Leo Rugendorf
187. Irv Weiner
188. John Wolek
189. Francis Curry
190. Eddie Vogel
191. William Vogel
192. Tom Smith
193. Alex Ross
194. Guy Sparta


So my point is that if we mix all together the Italian and the non-Italian members, we just might create an approximate number(for example 200) regarding the membership within the Outfit, during its peak. Also, my opinion is that the number 300 is a little bit too much but we cannot know for sure…

Nice list btw...

While I appreciate the list and the research...the notion that you can simply "combine all of the italian and non italian members" is absolutely preposterous IMO.

Could you imagine if one were to combine say, the Gambinos or the Genovese and all of their associates?

What does that make them over a 1,000 man family? lol come on

I thought we were trying to pin down...MADE ITALIAN MEMBERS?

Again, nice work on the list regardless.

Thanks man and i really appreciate your comment. Now dont get me wrong because youre talking about two different things, meaning "associates" and "members" not made but still members. You see, guys like Humphreys, Hunt, Kruse, Guzik, Alex or Larner were not associates of the Outfit and this statement can be backed by their involvment in important operations, they used to attend high level meetings, divided contracts among the lower level members, maintained the cash flow among the members, settling beefs etc. In other words they were involved in the everyday activities same as the made guys. Belive it or not, only in the Outfit If you dont believe it than you can include only the Italians and the number is again close to 150 and maybe more....belive me i can add at least 30 names but it would be pointless since i personally dont have a clue if they were made or not

Well, in that case you can add in Lansky and people like him for NY....who had more clout than some made members...

See where we are going with this? lol

I mean, you can call them different things...members instead of associates...etc

But they were not made members of the outfit.

I totally undestand you but you have to undestand that Lansky did not sat on the same table with Vito Genovese and talked about the affairs and problems within his crime family...well the truth is that Humphreys and Alex did share tables with the Italians and together brought important decisions on daily basis regarding their crime family and there are countless wiretapped convos for you to explore...

any links to somewhere that contains the taps?

taps are one of my favorite things!

a good wiretap and a good surveillance shot! lol

You can always check out the Mary Ferrell site...for example type names together like "humphreys alex", "humphreys ferraro" or "patrick prio" and especially look for Humphrey's convos...or if you consider me at least a little bit relaible you can check out these three articles so you can save yourself from all the trouble:

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=889

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1643

viewtopic.php?f=30&t=624

[Lupara]

Yeah I figured there were many more hundreds of them.