Mob boss Natale in hot water with ex-mistress Book , Movie

[Pogo The Clown]

The guy who coauthored, McShane, also wrote 'Chin'.

I'm now inclined based on the reviews on the Natale Bio To ignore this as well.

Any reviews of 'Chin' seeing as we're at it?

I haven't read it but the common consensus by those who have is that it is crap. Lots of errors and no real new info.


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[Wiseguy]

The guy who coauthored, McShane, also wrote 'Chin'.

I'm now inclined based on the reviews on the Natale Bio To ignore this as well.

Any reviews of 'Chin' seeing as we're at it?

There are a handful of lazy (albeit honest) mistakes in it, like labeling Mike Franzese captain in a wrong family, but generally I thought it was ok. I say "ok" because most of what we could possibly know of Chin we already know. There aren't many big revelations but I thought it's still worth the read.

As for Natale, it would have been great if Anastasia had done it and continued his book timeline of the Philly family. He would have been much more thorough and wouldn't have let Natale bullshit so much.

[Cheech]

^^^ you just explained why Anastasia didn;t write the book

[Ivan]

This guy is a joke. He and Phil Leonetti are both fucking liars, both of their books were bragadoccio.

Leonetti's book was very self-serving ("my evil uncle made me do it all") but I don't think it was all that factually inaccurate, was it? It seemed all right to me in that respect. Other than the self-serving drivel about his "evil uncle" nothing made me roll my eyes while reading it.

[Wiseguy]

Leonetti's book was very self-serving ("my evil uncle made me do it all") but I don't think it was all that factually inaccurate, was it? It seemed all right to me in that respect. Other than the self-serving drivel about his "evil uncle" nothing made me roll my eyes while reading it.

Agreed. I liked the Leonetti book a lot. Scott B's best one.

[Ivan]

Leonetti's book was very self-serving ("my evil uncle made me do it all") but I don't think it was all that factually inaccurate, was it? It seemed all right to me in that respect. Other than the self-serving drivel about his "evil uncle" nothing made me roll my eyes while reading it.

Agreed. I liked the Leonetti book a lot. Scott B's best one.

Yeah it seemed pretty well-researched to me. Best part is when Leonetti just comes out and says "Look, Angelo Bruno was the biggest drug dealer in Philadelphia." That was refreshing.

[phatmatress777]

Leonetti's book was very self-serving ("my evil uncle made me do it all") but I don't think it was all that factually inaccurate, was it? It seemed all right to me in that respect. Other than the self-serving drivel about his "evil uncle" nothing made me roll my eyes while reading it.

Agreed. I liked the Leonetti book a lot. Scott B's best one.

As far as facts go I thought the book was great. He should lay off the uncle bullshit but then again his uncle was the boss. He would also seem more sincere if he had flipped before trial instead of doing so after the fact.


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[Ivan]

As far as facts go I thought the book was great. He should lay off the uncle bullshit but then again his uncle was the boss. He would also seem more sincere if he had flipped before trial instead of doing so after the fact.

he also needs to drop the retarded Marilyn Munster analogy

[phatmatress777]

As far as facts go I thought the book was great. He should lay off the uncle bullshit but then again his uncle was the boss. He would also seem more sincere if he had flipped before trial instead of doing so after the fact.

he also needs to drop the retarded Marilyn Munster analogy

Agreed


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[Pete]

I don't get why Phil still hides and won't show his face on tv. Numerous rats have lived open many of them who testified much more recently. I doubt anyone would come looking for Phil if he showed his face on tv. I don't think he's testified in roughly 20 years

[joeycigars]

I don't get why Phil still hides and won't show his face on tv. Numerous rats have lived open many of them who testified much more recently. I doubt anyone would come looking for Phil if he showed his face on tv. I don't think he's testified in roughly 20 years

Thats because Phil is Regis Philbin now

[B.]

As well as his claim that only John Gambino backed Stanfa as boss and the actual bosses wouldn't recognize him because he was made in Sicily.

This is one I'm curious about.

I believe it was Toto who posted about Nino Giuffre's testimony where he said John Stanfa attended his making ceremony in Caccamo and stood in as his sponsor, which indicates Stanfa was a member or at least "recognized" by the Caccamo family.

Angelo Bruno inducted Al Amedeo into the Philadelphia family, then later Amedeo moved to Sicily and supposedly transferred to the Sicilian mafia (of which his father was a member), so there is a precedent for Philly-Sicily transfers. Bruno also recognized his Sicilian cousin Sinatra as well as Rosario Gambino's membership even though Gotti apparently didn't recognize Gambino's membership. It wouldn't shock me if Stanfa was made in Sicily and allowed to transfer into the Philadelphia family under Bruno.

The Stefanelli tapes indicate that the Lucchese family still recognized Scarfo as official boss of Philadelphia as recent as the early 2010s. So that's one family that likely didn't recognize Stanfa as boss. Have any of the high-ranking NY CWs from the early 90s like Gravano, D'Arco, Sessa, Vitale, etc. mentioned anything about Stanfa?

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't recall hearing about Al Amedeo. Do you know when Bruno made him and when he died? Thanks.


Pogo

[Snakes]

As well as his claim that only John Gambino backed Stanfa as boss and the actual bosses wouldn't recognize him because he was made in Sicily.

This is one I'm curious about.

I believe it was Toto who posted about Nino Giuffre's testimony where he said John Stanfa attended his making ceremony in Caccamo and stood in as his sponsor, which indicates Stanfa was a member or at least "recognized" by the Caccamo family.

Angelo Bruno inducted Al Amedeo into the Philadelphia family, then later Amedeo moved to Sicily and supposedly transferred to the Sicilian mafia (of which his father was a member), so there is a precedent for Philly-Sicily transfers. Bruno also recognized his Sicilian cousin Sinatra as well as Rosario Gambino's membership even though Gotti apparently didn't recognize Gambino's membership. It wouldn't shock me if Stanfa was made in Sicily and allowed to transfer into the Philadelphia family under Bruno.

The Stefanelli tapes indicate that the Lucchese family still recognized Scarfo as official boss of Philadelphia as recent as the early 2010s. So that's one family that likely didn't recognize Stanfa as boss. Have any of the high-ranking NY CWs from the early 90s like Gravano, D'Arco, Sessa, Vitale, etc. mentioned anything about Stanfa?

Serpiente over on BB (I know, big deal, right?) doesn't even think Merlino is made if Stanfa was the one that made him. But he does raise an interesting point in that if NY didn't recognize Stanfa as boss and Stanfa wasn't acting in an official capacity for Scarfo, could he make someone? I think it falls into that Galante category wherein enough made people recognized him as boss that it legitimized his ceremonies.

Not to mention, the NY families currently not only recognize Merlino as made but as boss of Philly.

[moneyman]

Here's the latest from George A on Natale's book. He's pretty critical of the book, I would bet that George was pitched this book by Natale at some point.

Here is an interesting tidbit about him getting made,

"While he’s telling a different story now, from the witness stand Natale boasted that he had, in essence, made himself after coming out of prison and aligning with Merlino in a war against then mob boss John Stanfa in 1994."

Link below,

http://www.phillyvoice.com/mobster-ralp ... fake-news/