Umberto Valenti

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No, there's nothing like being "on record" in any of the early accounts I read. Nick Gentile, for ex, only says he was made in Philadelphia and tells us nothing else. Valachi's account makes no mention of anything similar, and as you note, Bonanno didn't either. Salvatore Clemente wasn't asked so didn't tell, just like the other very early CI's. Imagine what we could have learned if only the Secret Service asked the right questions. Dr. Giuseppe Romano of Cleveland and Chester LaMare, who both became bosses, and Clemente himself, who was still a made member of the Luciano crime family until he died and was probably made before Morello was even a boss. So it's an educated guess that being "on record" existed that early, but there's no proof. We do know that names were passed around by the Family bosses before someone was considered for being made. That's in a Secret Service report from around 1913 and may also have been in some Sicilian trial transcript from the 1870s to 1890s time period.

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The Philly informants I know of don't talk about it either. Harry Riccobene only says he was made without his father's knowledge, but not the process he went through before getting made. Rocco Scafidi was brought in through his uncle/father, so not clear on the formalities either.

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Umberto "The Ghost" Valenti and Rocco Valenti тhis same litsi or two different people?

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Umberto "The Ghost" Valenti and Rocco Valenti тhis same litsi or two different people?

According to Wikipedia they're the same person. That's a good reason why we don't rely on Wikipedia. They're two different people. Umberto Valenti was a Sicilian who was part of Toto D'Aquila's Family and was killed in 1922, and Rocco Valenti was associated with the Camorra.

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Umberto "The Ghost" Valenti and Rocco Valenti тhis same litsi or two different people?

According to Wikipedia they're the same person. That's a good reason why we don't rely on Wikipedia. They're two different people. Umberto Valenti was a Sicilian who was part of Toto D'Aquila's Family and was killed in 1922, and Rocco Valenti was associated with the Camorra.

Umberto was killed in 1922, then what happened to Rocco Valenti if two different people?
It is known that Toto D'Aquila took into its ranks members of the Camorra against war with Morello, in some sources write that this was a war with Morello Camorra others write that D'Aquila fought with Morello.

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Rocco Valenti died of natural causes in 1971. What are "some sources"? What are these sources that claim they were the same person?

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My sources are not reliable Wiki, there is no other.