Chicago Outfit, c1980

[Pete]

I don't really think inendino was a top guy of Turks in the 70's or made at that point. Where did you get that info that he was? Everything i know about jimmy I at that time was that he was very close with aleman and functioned mostly as a collector, a thief, a hitman, and that he reported to ferriola. Guys who had similar roles in the 70's were not made until much later. Specifically 83 and 88

[AlexfromSouth]

Who were the guys that were made in the mid 70s, late 70s?

[Snakes]

I don't really think inendino was a top guy of Turks in the 70's or made at that point. Where did you get that info that he was? Everything i know about jimmy I at that time was that he was very close with aleman and functioned mostly as a collector, a thief, a hitman, and that he reported to ferriola. Guys who had similar roles in the 70's were not made until much later. Specifically 83 and 88

I'm pretty sure it's Inendino. He went to prison around the same time as the redacted name, he was close to everyone listed out in that paragraph, and there are quite a few sources that list him as one of the biggest loan sharks in the city and, specifically, one of Turk's top guys.

Also, I am not entirely sure he was made at the time. There are enough head-scratchers listed in that paragraph to make me call into question the CW's sources on who was or was not made. It could have just been an estimation on his part.

[Snakes]

Who were the guys that were made in the mid 70s, late 70s?

We don't have any specific lists. I've seen some random reports such as the one I'm examining here but none that I'd put a whole lot of trust into.

[Villain]

Turk was extremely powerful. He had two main crews, one under Ferriola and one under LaPietra.

I dont know if you guys know but back in the old days Torello started his career under Joe Corngold, as a collector for the handbook joints around the Cicero area. He also worked with Aiuppa who at the time worked for Claude Maddox. Crazy thing is that most of these big time Outfit Mafiosi started under non-Italian bosses.

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Kinda off-topic, but in relation to Chicago & The Outfit as a whole; I recently got the FBN book and I'm going through it for the first time, as I've ever "read" it before, if you want to call it that, whose Ermino Capone? I didn't even know Al had more brothers outside of Ralph, Frank & the cop. Whats more, is there appears that both he and Ralph were still engaged in illegal activity in association with leading Mafia members in the Chicago area, well into the 60's. Ermino with his being based in Chicago & Miami, & Ralph, whom had gambling & prostitution interests in Wisconsin. In relation to the being a member of the Outfit, but not a "made" member discussion, the Narcotics bureau even identified a difference between the two during their time, with numerous entree's from the Chicago area and around the surrounding areas, being labeled as "members of the Old Capone Gang and an important member of the successor mafia faction." Ralph was also apparently a "made" member, while this Ermino, was not. I only find this interesting because I assumed the Capone's had been an after thought after Al died, to those who succeeded them, but at least Ralph & Ermino seemed to have still garnered a lot of respect some 25-30 years after the death of their more infamous brother.

[Snakes]

Ermino was more commonly known as John Capone. Al had several brothers; Frank (killed by police), Ralph, Matt, John, and Albert. The Capones, with the exception of Ralph, weren't very active with the Outfit after Al was imprisoned but they were still considered members. Villain can probably provide more details since I am not a Capone expert.

Also, the old Capone mob refers to the pre-1930's version of the mob. It didn't become fully integrated into the national LCN until 1931, I believe. B made a post on the Milwaukee family that discusses the origins on the Outfit as an LCN entity.

[funkster]

Jimmy I was seen in that video at Turk's kid's wedding. I wouldn't be surprised if he was already associating with the high ranks at that time.

[Bontade]

After all, only when the boss Joseph Aiuppa began to pierce the finger and burned a saint on Induction?

[Pete]

After all, only when the boss Joseph Aiuppa began to pierce the finger and burned a saint on Induction?

I don't think this was ever confirmed but was certainly speculated by people. All we know for sure is the two ceremonies that are known, 83 and 88, the fire and saint cards were used. What happened before or since is anyone's guess. no one besides nick calabrese and Gerry scarpelli have ever gave on the record info to the Feds about being made. Whoever roemers sources were said it was a lot less formal back in the day

[Bontade]

After all, only when the boss Joseph Aiuppa began to pierce the finger and burned a saint on Induction?

I don't think this was ever confirmed but was certainly speculated by people. All we know for sure is the two ceremonies that are known, 83 and 88, the fire and saint cards were used. What happened before or since is anyone's guess. no one besides nick calabrese and Gerry scarpelli have ever gave on the record info to the Feds about being made. Whoever roemers sources were said it was a lot less formal back in the day

Thank you. I sometimes come at times heated debate on the Internet and some Info I do not cause any known for ignorance of the English language.

[B.]

After all, only when the boss Joseph Aiuppa began to pierce the finger and burned a saint on Induction?

I don't think this was ever confirmed but was certainly speculated by people. All we know for sure is the two ceremonies that are known, 83 and 88, the fire and saint cards were used. What happened before or since is anyone's guess. no one besides nick calabrese and Gerry scarpelli have ever gave on the record info to the Feds about being made. Whoever roemers sources were said it was a lot less formal back in the day

There's also the possibility that the older CI (assuming he was actually a member) downplayed the ceremony for whatever reason. Joe Bonanno for example completely minimized his own ceremony and I don't remember him mentioning anything about the ritual even though it's almost certain he went through the classic ceremony we all know (or something close).

[Snakes]

A lot of confusion arises between informants and whether or not someone is a member of a crew in the Outfit or an actual made member. It's tough to differentiate between the two when looking at some of these old documents. It could be that some of these lower level informants didn't even know what a made guy was and when asked by their agent or handler just assumed it was a guy on record with a crew, which is why we see some of these guys who aren't even Italian being identified as made by the particular informant I referenced in this post.

[Snakes]

The guy who provided the information summarized in this thread was Richard Mara, a low-level associate in the 26th Street crew who was involved in burglary and robbery. Definitely not the type of guy who I would be led to believe knows the inner workings of the Outfit, which is probably where a lot of the inaccuracies stem. Still, interesting info. I hope to come back to this thread when I'm not being worked to death in the real world.

[Antiliar]

I don't know how I missed your post, but good post, Snakes.