Changing Families

[JCB1977]

Wasn't Gravano an associate of the Columbos prior to hooking up with the Gambino's.

[Angelo Santino]

Wasn't Gravano an associate of the Columbos prior to hooking up with the Gambino's.

Yes.

[Angelo Santino]

I wish Gentile had said more about what was going on in Philly when he was made there. I have found almost nothing on the pre-Sabella years and it almost seems like the Sabella family was a combination of a few different groups who had only been loosely connected before that. I'm not just talking about the Italian ethnic groups we all know about, but also based on Sicilian city.

I know! If I had to guess it would have been with the Sciaccatani of Montgomery County. You will know why.

[Giacomo_Vacari]

JCB1977, You have Frank Lanza transferring from Bonanno to San Francisco, he was close to the Bonventres, but I always assumed he was with the Mineo while he lived in New York before moving to San Francisco in the mid 1920s.

[JCB1977]

JCB1977, You have Frank Lanza transferring from Bonanno to San Francisco, he was close to the Bonventres, but I always assumed he was with the Mineo while he lived in New York before moving to San Francisco in the mid 1920s.

Where do I have Frank Lanza going from Bonanno to San Francisco? I never even heard of Frank lanza. Jimmy Lanza I am familiar with. Most of my posts regarding transferring is from Pittsburgh to San Jose and Cleveland guys. I never comment on NY families.

**After going back through, that was Chris Christie's post...and he would know if that happened as he is an excellent researcher.

[rayray]

I never understood transferring from one family to another or maybe I should say I never understood why it's allowed in the first place.

[Doobeez]

I never understood transferring from one family to another or maybe I should say I never understood why it's allowed in the first place.

I think it's allowed to better serve everybody's interests..couple examples, and guys feel free to correct me if I'm getting my facts ass backward:

1--While the books in NYC were closed, Allie Persico was transferred to another family so he could get Made to run Carmine's crew while he was in prison. He was immediately transferred back though.
2--Gravano, at least according to him, was transferred out of the Colombos over the beef with the Speros.
3--Scarfo, Jr who was moved to the Luccheses because of Sr and Vic being close, but in reality it saved his life. Merlino et al would've eventually killed him. imo.

[johnny_scootch]

There should be a distinction made between ASSOCIATES who transfer families and MADE MEN who transfer. I don't see any significance to an associate transfer.

[Wiseguy]

There should be a distinction made between ASSOCIATES who transfer families and MADE MEN who transfer. I don't see any significance to an associate transfer.

Exactly

[JCB1977]

There should be a distinction made between ASSOCIATES who transfer families and MADE MEN who transfer. I don't see any significance to an associate transfer.

Exactly

I agree it should have a distinction, but some "longtime or influential" associates who transfer seems relevant to me. Who knows what would have happened to Gravano had he stayed with the Columbo's. Him and Scarpa may have been the deadliest hit team ever. NY Mob history certainly would have been altered had he not been with Gotti

[B.]

Was thumbing through Scarpa's daughter's book online, and there is a part written by Linda Schiro who says that Sal Scarpa was made with a different family originally and later moved to the Colombo family. She also says Sal became "involved" with the mob before Greg.

Seems like a strange thing for her to make up. Maybe he was an associate of another family and later went with the Colombos where he was made, or if she's correct then who was he with? The Gambinos would be the obvious choice.

[johnny_scootch]

Was thumbing through Scarpa's daughter's book online, and there is a part written by Linda Schiro who says that Sal Scarpa was made with a different family originally and later moved to the Colombo family. She also says Sal became "involved" with the mob before Greg.

Seems like a strange thing for her to make up. Maybe he was an associate of another family and later went with the Colombos where he was made, or if she's correct then who was he with? The Gambinos would be the obvious choice.

I could be way off the timeline here but is it possible he was made out of state possibly new england like other Colombo's and transferred over? Or were the Scarpa's made in the 70's? because then there would be no need for that.

[DonnieB]

John Baudanza was with the Colombo's at first then eventually made with the Luchese

[HairyKnuckles]

Was thumbing through Scarpa's daughter's book online, and there is a part written by Linda Schiro who says that Sal Scarpa was made with a different family originally and later moved to the Colombo family. She also says Sal became "involved" with the mob before Greg.

Seems like a strange thing for her to make up. Maybe he was an associate of another family and later went with the Colombos where he was made, or if she's correct then who was he with? The Gambinos would be the obvious choice.

I could be way off the timeline here but is it possible he was made out of state possibly new england like other Colombo's and transferred over? Or were the Scarpa's made in the 70's? because then there would be no need for that.

Both the Scarpas were made in the 1950s when the books were open. To my knowledge, there´s only two cases (when it comes to NY) when a guy was made while the books were closed. Nick Bianco and Alphonse Persico (New England). Persico was transfered to the Colombos pretty quick. Something similar could have happened with Bianco although I´m not ruling out he was directly made with the Colombos (no transfer).

[B.]

Yeah, Sal Scarpa was made in the early 1950s around the same time as his brother I believe. I used to assume Greg Scarpa was incorrect about when they were made, since he claimed it was pre-1954, but we know now NY members were brought in during the late 1940s and early 1950s.

If Linda Schiro is right, I doubt that Sal Scarpa was transferred like Bianco / Persico though you never know. Would seem more likely was made with a different NY family and may have transferred over due to his brother becoming a power with the Profacis. Greg claimed to have been captain while Joe Profaci was still boss, then was an acting captain for a time, so if Sal did actually transfer that may have been a factor.