Lupara wrote:OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Lupara wrote:OlBlueEyesClub wrote:And Lupara, no, I'm not mistaking Spagnolo for Stefano Sollecito. Long before it was revealed that Leonardo Rizzuto was indeed a boss in the Montreal Mafia and that there was a co-boss , roundtable thing going on , articles were saying that Spagnolo was the sole boss of the Montreal Mafia and that he was being groomed by Vito before he died and took over with the blessing of the family.
Again, you're confusing Spagnolo with Stefano Sollecito. Spagnolo has never been identified as the sole leader of the Montreal Mafia.
Man , I'm telling you, I'm not confusing him with anyone.
http://aboutthemafia.com/tag/nicola-spagnolo
Those two articles were reported first by the usual Canadian news sources...Prior to those articles, there were articles that were suggesting Nicola Spagnolo was the sole boss and that he'd been groomed for that position. I'm not confusing him with anyone. It went from him being sole boss, to him and Stefano being the main guys, the two bosses who sat at the round table. To Stefano then being the sole boss. To being proven through MAGOT & MASTIF that he wasn't a boss at all, and that it was actually Stefano & Leonardo who were the bosses.
First, these articles could have been written by anyone. There's no link to the original sources. Second, the articles don't even mention Nicola Spagnolo as sole boss of the Montreal Mafia who was groomed by Vito.
Yes, you are confused with Stefano Sollecito, who was in fact described in articles as being groomed by Vito for the top spot.
Those two articles showed up first in the Canadian news sources . Second, I never said THOSE two articles mentioned him as the sole boss. If you actually read my post, I posted those articles to go along with the timeline I mentioned in the very first paragraph after posting the link. And again, I'm not confusing Spagnolo with Stefano Sollecito. But believe what you want, your opinion in regards to whom I'm confusing who with is irrelevant to me , no disresprct, as I know what I'm talking about and know what I read and know where I read it at. And its this point is not even important to the overall topic . But thanks for your input.
BTW, here's a link to one of the early articles mentioning Spagnolo as part of the ruling table...
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/0 ... ntrealaise
Here's an article which makes mention of the closeness of he and his family to Vito Rizzuto after Vito returned to Montreal ... I can no longer find the link, so here's the quote of it when it was posted on RD, by Irish Jimmy...BTW, while this article doesn't state it, its said that Nicolas father , Vincenzo spoke to Vito regularly during his incarceration and that he was frequently seen with Vito on the golf course during Vito's trips to Montreal. I'll post the link which states that , after this article.
Posted April 12, 2013 at 07:45 | Updated at 07:45
A close Rizzuto in jail for nine months
Daniel Renaud
Press
Nicola Spagnolo, 38, whose family is part of the circle of the faithful sponsor of Vito Rizzuto, was sentenced to nine months in prison yesterday morning at the Montreal courthouse for a case of possession of a weapon.
June 24, 2010, while the Sicilians were assailed on all sides, Spagnolo has been involved in a traffic accident at 11:20 p.m. at the corner of René-Lévesque and Mansfield, Montreal. After the collision, a citizen found the strange behavior of the driver and called 911. When police arrived, they arrested him and found a gun Beretta 9mm.
Spagnolo pleaded guilty yesterday to charges of concealing a weapon and possession of a weapon whose serial number has been altered. In sentencing him to nine months in prison, Judge Claude Parent of the Court of Quebec went to a joint submission of counsel for the defense, Mr. Loris Cavaliere and his counterpart from the Crown, Mr. Dominique Potvin.
Nicola Spagnolo appeared detained because he is currently serving a short sentence for a case of driving while impaired. It has also some background in this area.
Spagnolo does not have a lengthy criminal record, but he has already been acquitted of a charge of possession of a weapon for an incident that occurred less than a month before the operation Coliseum in November 2006.
Bodyguard
Vincenzo Spagnolo, Nicola's father is a friend of Vito Rizzuto. In the late 80s, he had already offered to pay a deposit of 1 million for the release of the sponsor following his arrest for seizure of 32 tons of hashish in Sept-Îles.
In 2003, investigators had observed Coliseum project along with Vito Rizzuto and other individuals associated with the Mafia during a round of golf in the Dominican Republic.
Following his arrest in 2004, Vito Rizzuto Vincenzo Spagnolo called regularly in prison, according to the book Mafia Inc. (André Cédilot formerly refer to La Presse).
According to our sources, Spagnolo are present in the environment of Vito Rizzuto since his release and return to Quebec last fall.
http://coolopolis.blogspot.com/2015/10/ ... e.html?m=1
Here's a link , that called Nicola Spagnolo, the right hand man of "the leader" Stefano Sollecito, and his seat at "La Table"...Like I said, articles came out that implied that Sollecito & Spagnolo were the co-bosses.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/0 ... ls-molotov
I'll try to find some more for you...
brianwellbrock wrote:OlBlueEyesClub wrote:Lupara wrote:OlBlueEyesClub wrote:And Lupara, no, I'm not mistaking Spagnolo for Stefano Sollecito. Long before it was revealed that Leonardo Rizzuto was indeed a boss in the Montreal Mafia and that there was a co-boss , roundtable thing going on , articles were saying that Spagnolo was the sole boss of the Montreal Mafia and that he was being groomed by Vito before he died and took over with the blessing of the family.
Again, you're confusing Spagnolo with Stefano Sollecito. Spagnolo has never been identified as the sole leader of the Montreal Mafia.
Man , I'm telling you, I'm not confusing him with anyone.
http://aboutthemafia.com/tag/nicola-spagnolo
Those two articles were reported first by the usual Canadian news sources...Prior to those articles, there were articles that were suggesting Nicola Spagnolo was the sole boss and that he'd been groomed for that position. I'm not confusing him with anyone. It went from him being sole boss, to him and Stefano being the main guys, the two bosses who sat at the round table. To Stefano then being the sole boss. To being proven through MAGOT & MASTIF that he wasn't a boss at all, and that it was actually Stefano & Leonardo who were the bosses.
And you guys are all wrong, Gene Gotti controls Montreal. And this is a war because the Bonannos want their power back, Vinny Basciano is calling the shots from his ADX prison cell, word is he was behind the hit on Giordano AND Rocco Sollecito.
And in regards to Desjardins, the guy had enough pull to send an Italian, Giuseppe Colapelle, who at one point was very close to the Rizzuto faction, to infiltrate Montagna's core group in Montreal and report to him Montagna's every move , from the moment they aligned. So I don't doubt there are many Italian/Calabrians that owe some form of loyalty to Desjardins. But those who weren't killed, are imprisoned right along with him. But that doesn't mean he still doesn't have some influence on the street. I'll tell you this much with Mom Boucher putting contracts on his head, and Vito killing off the remainder of his presumed allies, Desjardins always gave off the vibe that he was cool as a cucumber through all of it. I too still question if he and Fernandez were actual made members or not, to be honest. Vito made calls and wanted Fernandez to return to his side even after he told bosses who questioned him in Italy , that he was a made man. There was never an implication given that he was going to be penalized by Vito for claiming to real Italian family bosses that it was him specifically who had Fernandez inducted. Fernandez still had contact with Rocco Sollecito prior to his death. And Vito wanted him back by his side, again. Requesting Fernandez to come meet with him in Cuba and the DR. Where its said Vito always met his allies there post his prison release. And even after being blown off once, he was still convinced he could persuade Fernandez to join his side. I just don't see Vito going through all this effort, for a guy who lied about his induction into Vito's mafia family . But then I always think of history, and how a non-italian was never inducted. And I just can't see Vito going against long standing tradition like that and inducting two non-italians and giving them actual making ceremonies. Even if he was the same guy who severed his criminal familial ties to the Bonannos.
The mafia and their traditiona are only as strong as people allow them to be. Sure its possible Vito couldve given these guys a ceremony but nobody fron Italy or NY would care hence making it invalid. In their own section of the underworld they have their codes. Im sure a Hell Angel will acknowledge Joe Bravos status as a criminal the same weather he had a ceremony or not it dont matter to them aa much but try going to Sicily and getting them to acknowledge is a totally different thing.
What Im saying is it isnt black and white. Vito supposedly making these guys only will have implications from within and wouldnt affect their standing to other groups.
I agree with you that it isn't black and white, which is why I said I don't know either way how to call either way if either Fernandez nor Desjardins were made or not. And I agree that if they were made. It wouldn't effect Rizzuto Families standing with other families, however if Fernandez was lying about Vito personally making him, it would affect Fernandez' standing with Vito Rizzuto and other members of his family. Yet it didn't, Vito still wanted Fernandez on his side even after he knew that Fernandez was telling bosses in Bagheria that he was made into the Montreal Mafia by Vito Rizzuto. Which may go to show that he wasn't lying. But I'm still not ready to make a determination if he or Desjardins was actually made or not.
@Laurentian, the name hasn't been released yet?