General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[NorthBuffalo]

Calling me Alex Jones sounds like something Solar would say.

Boy you've sure been fooled then - you've commented and interacted with me quite a bit on this forum B. You must be a sucker right?

[NorthBuffalo]

the guy turned out to be a nut with a bunch of troll accounts etc. Was good at convincing people that he was a legit street source though.

It’s funny, but some people are a lot more successful at this than others.

So you've spent how much time now responding and interacting with a troll account?

[Ivan]

the guy turned out to be a nut with a bunch of troll accounts etc. Was good at convincing people that he was a legit street source though.

It’s funny, but some people are a lot more successful at this than others.

There's a certain kind of poster that comes around occasionally who is semi-legit, but for some reason exaggerates the legit stuff into a bullshit persona that's actually pretty convincing (or more convincing than just totally making things up would have been), even though the legit part of them was more than enough. Like "Picasso" 20 years ago. He was really Steve Lenehan but instead of just being Steve Lenehan he came up with this "wise old Italian mobster" bullshit persona with a bunch of plausible-but-bullshit stories even though just being his real self would have been great. Similarly, PizzaBoy did seem to really be a "neighborhood guy" but instead of just going with that he BS'd.

[Ivan]

Generative AI analysis (sorry couldn't resist).

[PolackTony]

the guy turned out to be a nut with a bunch of troll accounts etc. Was good at convincing people that he was a legit street source though.

It’s funny, but some people are a lot more successful at this than others.

So you've spent how much time now responding and interacting with a troll account?

Hey how’s the weather up in… Buffalo? You guys still dealing with the wildfire smoke from Canada? I hope that the hazy conditions haven’t prevented you from receiving your deliveries of Chicago style Italian beef that you said before you enjoy getting shipped to you. You know, in Buffalo.

[B.]

Calling me Alex Jones sounds like something Solar would say.

Boy you've sure been fooled then - you've commented and interacted with me quite a bit on this forum B. You must be a sucker right?

Whatever my interactions with you have been, they've never been based on the idea that you're a Buffalo guy who happens to be singularly obsessed with the Chicago outfit.

[funkster]

the guy turned out to be a nut with a bunch of troll accounts etc. Was good at convincing people that he was a legit street source though.

It’s funny, but some people are a lot more successful at this than others.

There's a certain kind of poster that comes around occasionally who is semi-legit, but for some reason exaggerates the legit stuff into a bullshit persona that's actually pretty convincing (or more convincing than just totally making things up would have been), even though the legit part of them was more than enough. Like "Picasso" 20 years ago. He was really Steve Lenehan but instead of just being Steve Lenehan he came up with this "wise old Italian mobster" bullshit persona with a bunch of plausible-but-bullshit stories even though just being his real self would have been great. Similarly, PizzaBoy did seem to really be a "neighborhood guy" but instead of just going with that he BS'd.

I’ll admit I was gone for a few years and I didn’t realize PB had been discredited. He was good at convincing people he grew up with Luciano himself.

[funkster]

This isn’t to say that Bompensiero was infallible, of course, but this account is our “gold standard” for this question as Bompensiero was a veteran LCN member with deep and extensive contacts with members in Families across the US and as such was an invaluable informant for the FBI (even member sources are not all created equal in terms of the information they are privy to). Apart from reporting, in this case, directly from a meeting with Alderisio, where Alderisio was acting at the behest of Chicago’s Consiglio, Bompensiero was also a longtime close friend of Chicago captain Frank LaPorte and Johnny Roselli, then a soldier reporting to LaPorte. Bompensiero was so close to Chicago that the Feds even mistakenly listed him as a Chicago member on one list. He continued to report Chicago-related intel to the FBI over the subsequent years, also serving as the member sources who confirmed for us that Aiuppa was made official boss around 1975.

Alderisio was then himself indicted and arrested in 1969 in a raid by Federal LE and imprisoned two months later, dying of a heart attack almost exactly two years into his term, in September of 1971. It is evident that he was never boss and probably never held any administrative rank. From the outside looking in, this may not have been clear, however, as Alderisio — by his own account — had been a soldier direct with the boss and then subsequently seems to have been a soldier taking part in the Consiglio; the sort of guy who, if one didn’t have access to the formal mafia organization, would certainly have seemed to have been “a boss”. Not all guys with the rank of soldier are created equal either.

Bompensiero was also planning to transfer to Chicago at one point but Tommy Lucchese stepped in and said Bomp still had a murder contract he needed to fulfill for the LA Family (doesn't specify who the target was) and therefore couldn't transfer. So he was attempting to be part of that exodus to Chicago along with Roselli and Fratianno.

Here is the report if people haven't seen it:




- From the report it sounds like Alderisio may not have had an actual seat on the consiglio at that time but attends the meetings occasionally. It comes across to me like they were using Alderisio to carry messages/directives from the consiglio to the rest of the Family.

- Alderisio did tell Bomp that he (Alderisio) was in the running to become boss but as you said at this time Bomp's understanding is Alderisio was a soldier and his legal issues were a barrier to becoming boss. Given he'd been a soldier direct w/ Giancana before this, it seems likely Alderisio was still reporting directly to the Family leadership.

Sorry probably a dumb question, but is this in the Mary Ferrell files?

[Camo]

I wasn't aware of Pizzaboy being actually exposed with troll accounts. However it was obvious he was largely full of shit for anyone who was around him for a long time. He started out just talking about the neighbourhood (he was definitely from the Bronx) adding some context to what people were discussing, then he had heard a few rumours that he could only allude to nothing big, then he knew everything even slightly related to Bronx OC and on GBB he became increasingly more aggressive when anyone questioned him. Very tellingly he was nothing like that on this forum because he knew he couldn't get away with it he largely went back to the guy who just knew the Bronx neighbourhoods very well. He was also a very manipulative person who was in everyones PMs trying to make them his defenders and it worked on a lot, he had a full on cult on GB in the mid 2010s. I wasn't on Real Deal but it very much sounds the same as how Pic is described here.

[InCamelot]

Is there a way to not derail this thread any further and just link me to the proof that PB was a fraud? Kind of a broad, generalized term I presume he did have some accurate information that the public didn't, but what did he do exactly to discredit himself?

[Camo]

Is there a way to not derail this thread any further and just link me to the proof that PB was a fraud? Kind of a broad, generalized term I presume he did have some accurate information that the public didn't, but what did he do exactly to discredit himself?

I'd love to see it myself.

Getting somewhat back on track apologies for the Milwaukee Phil thing that caused arguments. I'm sure i'm mixing him up. I took like a 3-4 year break from the Mafia so i've forgot so much of what i read and i'm mixed up on some stuff. I was thinking about it and maybe i was thinking of another era and it was one of the Fischetti's or someone who was close to NY.

[Pogo The Clown]

Generative AI analysis (sorry couldn't resist).

Classic. You are the man Ivan.


Pogo

[PolackTony]

Sorry probably a dumb question, but is this in the Mary Ferrell files?

Not a dumb question at all. Offhand, I don't recall that this report was in one of the files on the MF site, but may rather have instead been in a file released under FOIA. B should remember, as he was the one who initially found the report in question.

On the subject of Alderisio, in an earlier FBI report filed in June of 1968 (this one is on MF), Bompensiero had also previously claimed at that time that he understood Alderisio to hold the rank of soldier. Bomp further reported back from a meeting that he had with LaPorte, who had raised the issue of Fratianno's abortive membership transfer to Chicago to Accardo and Ricca. It's evident that the 1969 meeting meeting between Alderisio, Bompensiero, and Fratianno was consequent to this, as the Chicago Consiglio clearly sent Alderisio out to LA to follow up and resolve the matter. It should be noted also that while Fratianno had been personally acquainted with Alderisio for some time, per Bompensiero, the two had never been formally introduced as amici nostri, necessitating Bomp's presence as the third party to make those introductions, as Bomp already knew Alderisio as an LCN member.

[PolackTony]

Is there a way to not derail this thread any further and just link me to the proof that PB was a fraud? Kind of a broad, generalized term I presume he did have some accurate information that the public didn't, but what did he do exactly to discredit himself?

I'd love to see it myself.

Getting somewhat back on track apologies for the Milwaukee Phil thing that caused arguments. I'm sure i'm mixing him up. I took like a 3-4 year break from the Mafia so i've forgot so much of what i read and i'm mixed up on some stuff. I was thinking about it and maybe i was thinking of another era and it was one of the Fischetti's or someone who was close to NY.

Nothing to apologize for. And, again, Alderisio almost certainly had LCN ties to guys in NYC, it's just nothing that I can recall having seen substantiated such that we know for sure who, specifically.

The Fischettis were originally from Brooklyn and absolutely had ties to NYC guys (they may well have initially been made as Masseria members under Capone and transferred to Chicago, though that is speculative). For one concrete example, Joe Fish was partnered with Genovese captain Mike Coppola in the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami, a situation that led to a conflict between Rocky Fish and Coppola such that an emergency Commission meeting was held in FL to resolve the issue: viewtopic.php?p=271834#p271834.

[Camo]

Is there a way to not derail this thread any further and just link me to the proof that PB was a fraud? Kind of a broad, generalized term I presume he did have some accurate information that the public didn't, but what did he do exactly to discredit himself?

I'd love to see it myself.

Getting somewhat back on track apologies for the Milwaukee Phil thing that caused arguments. I'm sure i'm mixing him up. I took like a 3-4 year break from the Mafia so i've forgot so much of what i read and i'm mixed up on some stuff. I was thinking about it and maybe i was thinking of another era and it was one of the Fischetti's or someone who was close to NY.

Nothing to apologize for. And, again, Alderisio almost certainly had LCN ties to guys in NYC, it's just nothing that I can recall having seen substantiated such that we know for sure who, specifically.

The Fischettis were originally from Brooklyn and absolutely had ties to NYC guys (they may well have initially been made as Masseria members under Capone and transferred to Chicago, though that is speculative). For one concrete example, Joe Fish was partnered with Genovese captain Mike Coppola in the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami, a situation that led to a conflict between Rocky Fish and Coppola such that an emergency Commission meeting was held in FL to resolve the issue: viewtopic.php?p=271834#p271834.

That definitely could be what i'm thinking of. Thanks again.