General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[funkster]

Casino is on Netflix now, so I watched it relatively recently. What really stands out to me about Scorsese's movies is that they are just so damn interesting to look at. I can't really explain it, but there's constant action, colors, outfits, changes of scenes, in all his movies. Even though they are all like 3 hours long I always leave wanting more.

And I'll even die on the hill that I think the Irishman is a masterpiece. Yes, the de-aging kinda sucked and I do think he should have used a younger actor instead of DeNiro, but that movie is deep, and really hammers home the pointless nature of a life of crime and violence.

Dude I’m with you, I loved it. The more times I watch it the more I appreciate it. Another movie people expect to be a documentary, it drives me nuts. lol like no, I think Scorsese is well aware that he wasn’t involved in every hit of the 20th century.

[Snakes]

I always wonder if Joey Aiuppa and Jack Cerone watched Casino as they were out by 95 and died a few years later. Same with Vic Spilotro who died in 96. You got a major hollywood film that at the time was all over everything - and the mob genre at that time was still somewhat new (it was basically Goodfellas and Casino at that time...)...you gotta believe at least one of those names watched the movie.

I also wonder if those are the guys who prevented Chicago and real names from being used. I know Goodfellas had some real LCN involvement - I wonder if Chicago ever had a 'talk' with Scorcesse or Pileggi...

Wouldn't doubt it. Books written about Chicago have left out real names because of exactly the same thing. The author was told to not even think about using them or else so he changed the names to keep the peace and be respectful.

Pileggi used real names, Scorsese did not.

[Coloboy]

Casino is on Netflix now, so I watched it relatively recently. What really stands out to me about Scorsese's movies is that they are just so damn interesting to look at. I can't really explain it, but there's constant action, colors, outfits, changes of scenes, in all his movies. Even though they are all like 3 hours long I always leave wanting more.

And I'll even die on the hill that I think the Irishman is a masterpiece. Yes, the de-aging kinda sucked and I do think he should have used a younger actor instead of DeNiro, but that movie is deep, and really hammers home the pointless nature of a life of crime and violence.

Dude I’m with you, I loved it. The more times I watch it the more I appreciate it. Another movie people expect to be a documentary, it drives me nuts. lol like no, I think Scorsese is well aware that he wasn’t involved in every hit of the 20th century.

“So you just went in there and said…give me a fish?”

[Patrickgold]

Wait, are you trying to claim that Farina and Montagna are better actors than Deniro or Pesci? I agree that the two chicago guys are great, but they aren't going to carry that move in any way like Robert DeNiro or Joe Pesci.

Boka gonna Boka.

BokaBreeze is a legend.

Is he still around?

[Ivan]

“So you just went in there and said…give me a fish?”

That movie has my favorite scene in a movie this century: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TsMA46Eww

"You people?! YOU PEOPLE?!?!"

Stephen Graham would make a great Nicky Scarfo.

[sdeitche]

Casino is on Netflix now, so I watched it relatively recently. What really stands out to me about Scorsese's movies is that they are just so damn interesting to look at. I can't really explain it, but there's constant action, colors, outfits, changes of scenes, in all his movies. Even though they are all like 3 hours long I always leave wanting more.

And I'll even die on the hill that I think the Irishman is a masterpiece. Yes, the de-aging kinda sucked and I do think he should have used a younger actor instead of DeNiro, but that movie is deep, and really hammers home the pointless nature of a life of crime and violence.

Really great observation on the look of his movies. Each has a distinctive pallet.

And on the Irishman, I'm glad Scorsese finally utilized the genius of Bobby Canavale. He makes any scene better.

[Wiseguy]

“So you just went in there and said…give me a fish?”

That movie has my favorite scene in a movie this century: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9TsMA46Eww

"You people?! YOU PEOPLE?!?!"

Stephen Graham would make a great Nicky Scarfo.

Those scenes with Pacino and Graham were hilarious.

[Ivan]

Those scenes with Pacino and Graham were hilarious.

Yeah the Graham Character flipping out over "you people" is one of the funniest things I've seen. ("There was an ethic slur... "you people'." )

[Ivan]

Anyway to get back on topic a new JoePuzzles "reconstruction" of the Outfit just dropped. Blend of official information with the more plausible rumors.

Anyone missing besides the Sicilian restaurateur brothers I assume he omits for legal reasons? Jason Nitti isn't on it either.

[funkster]

Wait, are you trying to claim that Farina and Montagna are better actors than Deniro or Pesci? I agree that the two chicago guys are great, but they aren't going to carry that move in any way like Robert DeNiro or Joe Pesci.

Boka gonna Boka.

BokaBreeze is a legend.

In his own mind.

[funkster]

Anyway to get back on topic a new JoePuzzles "reconstruction" of the Outfit just dropped. Blend of official information with the more plausible rumors.

Anyone missing besides the Sicilian restaurateur brothers I assume he omits for legal reasons? Jason Nitti isn't on it either.

Where did he post this, Reddit?

[Ivan]

Anyway to get back on topic a new JoePuzzles "reconstruction" of the Outfit just dropped. Blend of official information with the more plausible rumors.

Anyone missing besides the Sicilian restaurateur brothers I assume he omits for legal reasons? Jason Nitti isn't on it either.

Where did he post this, Reddit?

Yes.

[pat_marcy]

I seen nadu posted that chart on twitter. Is it credible then?

[Bing Bang 74]

I seen nadu posted that chart on twitter. Is it credible then?

Nadu reposts everything he comes across, credible, non-credible, it's all part of the grift for him. JoePuzzles made this chart based on the recent information we have for Chicago, which is slim and mostly coming from Scott Burnstein, so think of its accuracy what you will. JoePuzzles I'm sure is not claiming it entirely reflects reality.

[Camo]

How accurate is Nicholas Pillegi's Casino? I'm aware it's not regarding Spilotro's murder but is his time in Vegas generally accurate or what? I've seen the movie obviously but i've never read the book and i'm considering doing so if it's at least somewhat accurate. Is Frank Cullota his source or is it purely newspaper articles or what?

That movie sucked. It featured all east coast actors and not one Chicagoan such as Farina, Madsen, Montagna etc. the only one who even attempted a Chicago accent was pesci, and even that was half assed

As far as accuracy goes,no it wasn’t accurate. They couldn’t even mention Chicago outright, and that LV story in general isn’t all that interesting. The real meat on the bone & intrigue was occurring in Chicago obviously.

Also we know now that Phil Ponto was perhaps the most important straightened out guy in LV for the outfit

I'm asking about the book which i believe used the real names and mentioned Chicago. Again i haven't read it but i'm under the impression it's very different to the movie, Scoresese says his movies were "inspired by" Pileggi's books rather than based on which is why he changed the names and elements of the story.

Unless your second and third paragraphs are referring to the book and i've misinterpreted you in which case thanks for the information?

My apologies. I haven’t read the book either. However, with only having the film to go off of, I can only assume that the book was as trash as the film, considering one was based upon the other.

On board filled with terrible opinions, this is one of the worst.

LOL. agreed.

I actually like Casino more than goodfellas personally. Both are all time greats, but I think the story in Casino is a little more exciting. And yes, Martin Scorsese, one the century's most respected filmmakers, isn't trying to stay steadfast to the exact true history, because that's not his goal. He's making art, and it's fucking great.

FWIW they couldn't mention Chicago in the movie because Universal Studios lawyers were up Scorsese's ass about lawsuits, presumably from living people that were actually involved... same reason they say "adapted from a true story" instead of "based on a true story".

This is what I always come back to when people whine about this, it’s a fucking movie! It’s not a documentary. You know why he used those east coast actors? Lmao because they’re better than the three Chicago people he mentioned.

No, they aren’t. Farina & montagna are spectacular & would’ve been perfect in that film. The movie sucked. East coast people trying to portray outfit guys was a complete joke. It wasn’t art, it was a cheap cop out, to go with known names rather than authenticity

If they would have chosen Farina and Montagna over Pesci and Deniro it would have been a made for TV Friday night special. You don't get any bigger than Pesci and Deniro portraying mobsters during that era in Hollywood. Sorry to break it to you but it is what it is. Deniro and Pesci made that movie a blockbuster. Along with Sharon Stone. Now, do I believe they should have casted some Chicago actors in the film? Yes indeed. Farina and Montagna would have been excellent choices for supporting roles and would have made the movie even better. They had the budget to make that possible so I'm not sure why it never happened.

Farina could've been Culotta or whatever he's called in the movie. Could see him being great in the murder scene. In hindsight it's difficult to not see Phil Leotardo in that scene.

Agreed though, this is a regional complaint that the vast majority of viewers aren't going to have. I assure you i wasn't complaining about their Chicago accents from my house in Scotland as a child lol. My issue with the acting is Pesci's role is too similar to Goodfellas (he does try to change it up somewhat though). However i agree DeNiro and Pesci are far better actors than Farina and Mantegna especially in carrying a major movie i couldn't see it from either of them and neither could Marty since he never had them as major actors in any of his films.