Proletarian187 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am
Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?
Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.
The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located
The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
- 111 families and 2280 members looks ok to me
- i think dia had some numbers in the reports years ago
- from my memory, so i can be wrong
- palermo average 20 members per family
- trapani average 50 member per family
- 2280 ÷ 111 = 20.54
2280 members in Palermo province only, 78 families
- you are correct, i read wrongly
- so 2280 ÷ 78 = 29.23
- looks ok but will need to research
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 7:04 am
The way I understand it (but I could be wrong), Pino Greco was in charge of the mandamento while Michele Greco was the head of the Cupola
That makes sense as both are listed as on the Commission at the same time, while Riina and Provenzano seems to be either/or one of them represented Corleone at whichever time. Both represented Leggio at different times so they seemed to be perceived as Acting with one Boss (Leggio then Riina) regardless of the actual reality of the situation (Provenzano and Riina seem to have been both Bosses at the same time in reality, even if not officially) but Michele and Pino being on it together is more confusing and what you said is the most likely explanation.
Maybe Leggio's ill health introduced the idea of a more rotating Corleone Group and they just stuck to it. That makes sense since the Corleonesi were supposedly incredibly secretive about who their members were, would make sense that they did the same with their Bosses. The only reason Buscetta had Riina above Provenzano from what i understand is because he was smarter in his opinion which could suggest he wasn't sure.
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:43 am
Who was Pino Greco under during the Corleonesi war against other families?
he was a member of Ciaculli family (maybe he was made underboss at some point), Michele Greco was the capomandamento
- pino greco
- soldier until november 1982
- boss ciaculli after november 1982 and member of commission
- check statements rosario paolo anzelmo ex-underboss noce
- michele greco
- boss ciaculli until october 1982
- soldier after
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:43 am
Who was Pino Greco under during the Corleonesi war against other families?
he was a member of Ciaculli family (maybe he was made underboss at some point), Michele Greco was the capomandamento
- pino greco
- soldier until november 1982
- boss ciaculli after november 1982 and member of commission
- check statements rosario paolo anzelmo ex-underboss noce
- michele greco
- boss ciaculli until october 1982
- soldier after
Was there a reason given for Michele being demoted? Also did he become Boss again after Pino's murder?
Thanks for clearing all this up Cobra you've been a great help.
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:43 am
Who was Pino Greco under during the Corleonesi war against other families?
he was a member of Ciaculli family (maybe he was made underboss at some point), Michele Greco was the capomandamento
- pino greco
- soldier until november 1982
- boss ciaculli after november 1982 and member of commission
- check statements rosario paolo anzelmo ex-underboss noce
- michele greco
- boss ciaculli until october 1982
- soldier after
Was there a reason given for Michele being demoted? Also did he become Boss again after Pino's murder?
Thanks for clearing all this up Cobra you've been a great help.
i'm not convinced Michele Greco was demoted, this is a bit confusing, in my opinion he was the boss of Ciaculli mandamento and head of the Cupola until 1986 when he was arrested( although the real boss of bosses was always Totò Riina), Pino Greco murder was ordered by Riina in 1985 because he was too ambitious
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:43 am
Who was Pino Greco under during the Corleonesi war against other families?
he was a member of Ciaculli family (maybe he was made underboss at some point), Michele Greco was the capomandamento
- pino greco
- soldier until november 1982
- boss ciaculli after november 1982 and member of commission
- check statements rosario paolo anzelmo ex-underboss noce
- michele greco
- boss ciaculli until october 1982
- soldier after
Was there a reason given for Michele being demoted? Also did he become Boss again after Pino's murder?
Thanks for clearing all this up Cobra you've been a great help.
i'm not convinced Michele Greco was demoted, this is a bit confusing, in my opinion he was the boss of Ciaculli mandamento and head of the Cupola until 1986 when he was arrested( although the real boss of bosses was always Totò Riina), Pino Greco murder was ordered by Riina in 1985 because he was too ambitious
Yeah, i was surprised about Michele as i thought he was a proper ally of Riina's and wouldn't expect him demoted when Riina was still in power. Could be wrong about that though.
FTR i just got to the part of The Last Godfathers with Pino's death and it said this:
Cassara was ‘Little Shoe’ Greco’s last victim. Riina had rewarded the soldier who had risen to become his chief assassin, claiming a hundred or so lives including that of General Dalla Chiesa, with membership of the Cupola but he now worried that Greco had become too powerful. Young soldiers especially idolised him, queueing to meet him when he received visitors once a week. Riina began to think that Greco might be thinking of adding him to his long list of corpses and told only three other bosses of his decision to eliminate him. ‘They were the only ones in the know because if Greco had got wind of it they would have all had to go and hide, because that guy was capable of walking into a mili¬ tary barracks and shooting all the soldiers in it,’ an informer explained.
Later on it said this:
Riina insisted on seeing the body before it was dissolved in acid; satisfied, he appointed Lucchese to fill Greco’s shoes as clan head.
That suggests to me that Pino was briefly made Boss before his murder then was replaced by Lucchese but it doesn't say anything about Michele. I don't know it's confusing.
