How am I trying to derail anything? Everything I posted had to do with the current status of Detroit, and by extension, it's future. The subtext of my post was obviously pointing out that so much of what people are saying (and have always said) about Detroit are based on only two things - Scott B and speculation. Take those two away and what is there left to say about Detroit? Pretty much nothing. Furthermore, the fact your response was simply more speculation, devoid of anything substantial you're basing any of this on, proves my point.Tocco686 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:40 am Oh Boy, here comes Westside to try and derail another post. Did you even read any of the comments on this thread? You know I picture you as the type of guy that’s really not listening, but just waiting for his turn to talk. Also your logic as to why you don’t believe these guys are involved is insane. You always throw up the same rhetoric. So, just so we’re clear…. According to you, if a serial killer kills for years, but he doesn’t have a record or police are not looking into him or have him investigated or on a watchlist, well… then he must not be a serial killer. I’ll side with you on the fact that Detroit’s bordering on KC level with no real structure left. And there are very few guys. And I’m sure most are coasting on Name recognition. Did you ever think the reason that arrests aren’t happening is because most of these guys are connected with Police, Politicians and so on. Why would anyone want to stop them when they’re all lining their own pockets. Also, OC division in Michigan is more concerned with Chaldeans and Arab Terrorists that might be here.
-As for Giacalone I said, he’s pretty much a hermit. I’m sure he still has some guys paying tribute. I don’t believe he leads in anyway. Just a figure head.
-Vince Giacalone does run a Pizza chain. But he has had surveillance of him delivering messages for his brother. Which would technically make him an associate.
-The D’anna’s are very smart. I don’t believe they are trying to become their own family, but more of an independent crew. Why is it so unbelievable that they would fly guys over here to help them. These guys have no record here, are not being looked at by police, and will be loyal to only them. Sounds like a great way to insulate themselves from getting popped. And if one of these guys gets caught, they’ll just flee back to Sicily.
-Aceto is pretty much out. He only made it as far as he did because he’s Giacalone’s friend and former driver. Him and the Renegades and Vigilante MC’s are being pushed out of the heroin business by the D’anna’s.
I wouldn't say your post is a derailment at all since it pertains to the subject of the thread.JoePuzzles234 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 4:16 pm Not really going to engage with most of the post since it's the usual Detroit debate but thought these points were worth discussing
The guy listed on the BOP Locator is not the suspected Detroit member. Anthony J. Giacalone's son Joseph is born ~ 1952. I don't think he has ever done time and I'm not sure he was ever included on any FBI lists.Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:05 pm Joseph Giacalone/86 - Conflicting information, to say the least. GamTax documents said he was made in 1986. It's claimed he's a captain in more recent years, yet Nove Tocco said he isn't made. Like pretty much anyone else left in Detroit, basically no evidence of activity to speak of.
I think I posted it in one of the Nove Tocco threads but when I asked about Peter Jack Corrado being identified as a member by the FBI, he like half-trailed off and said something about him possibly not being "formally inducted." It might mean he was of the same vague status as Nove and Big Paulie Corrado.Wiseguy wrote: [Snipped]
Re: Peter Jack Corrado and Paul Corrado (Cousin Paulie, 06/01/1963)
Regarding Cousin Paulie Corrado being identified as a member in the Gametax indictment, both Nove and Big Paulie are also called members there when it's apparently not the case. There is a spot for a Paul Corrado on the 1993 list, so maybe he can slot in there? Hopefully Nove Tocco can clarify these issues soon enough.
I hope Tocco686 doesn't mind the derailment but here is my attempt at the 1993 list:
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Anyway, so you're saying the Joseph Giacalone in question is around 74 and not made?
As far as the Corrados, if we have the FBI listing someone as made but then an insider saying something different, that leaves it inconclusive as far as I'm concerned. Simply because the FBI got their information from somewhere. When they label someone as made, it's usually from one of two sources: surveillance or other made members confirming that someone is made.
If none of the guys in question are made, that leaves what, Jackie Giacalone and Anthony LaPiana?
