Consigliere for a year - Jerry Catena

[sdeitche]

Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Great post!!

[John W]

Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

Any ideas when we can expect the book to be published?

[sdeitche]

Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

Any ideas when we can expect the book to be published?

I'll know after I get it to the publisher (early May). Based on my previous books with this publisher either tail end of this year or early 2026.

[Stroccos]

Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

[sdeitche]

Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

Oh, did not see this one.

[B.]

I've seen the charts listing Catena as consigliere before but have never known what to make of it. A lot of guys have been named as having admin spots in the late 70s and early 80s, it still being unclear in some cases exactly who held which spot and when. I don't recall any member sources or wiretaps we've seen from the 1970s or 80s naming Catena as consigliere but that doesn't mean there wasn't one.

I believe Leonetti has Manna as consigliere by 1980 when he represented the Genovese Family during the aftermath of the Bruno murder but I don't know whether Manna was actually the consigliere yet or simply representing the admin before he officially stepped up. Cafaro did say Manna was consigliere in 1980 though.

Even though there is no basis for believing the Genovese had a consiglio, the way they operated in the 1970s and 80s was almost as if they did. There was basically a panel of senior and upcoming leaders who made decisions together.

[InCamelot]

Also recall someone posting documents indicating Manna was made consigliere the day after (?) Dom Alongi passed away.

[B.]

Yep, Chin posted something from Cafaro who said Manna became consigliere on March 30, 1980, which happens to be the same day Alongi died. That would also be 9 days after Angelo Bruno was killed so it would fit that Manna was consigliere during the aftermath even if he wasn't official yet for another week and change.

Chin also had an interesting thread about the Genovese consiglieri during this period here: viewtopic.php?p=258750

In Vincent Cafaro’s 1988 affidavit, he stated that Antonio Ferro replaced Salerno as consigliere in 1976 when Salerno became the underboss. Cafaro also stated that Dominick Alongi replaced Ferro as consigliere in 1978, with Louis Manna then replacing Alongi in 1980.

He mentions in that thread that there was also an apparent acting consigliere called "Joe Bocca" in the late 1970s discussed by the Russo brothers on tape. It could be Antonio "Buckaloo" Ferro but it's hard to narrow down the specifics.

[sdeitche]

I've seen the charts listing Catena as consigliere before but have never known what to make of it. A lot of guys have been named as having admin spots in the late 70s and early 80s, it still being unclear in some cases exactly who held which spot and when. I don't recall any member sources or wiretaps we've seen from the 1970s or 80s naming Catena as consigliere but that doesn't mean there wasn't one.

I believe Leonetti has Manna as consigliere by 1980 when he represented the Genovese Family during the aftermath of the Bruno murder but I don't know whether Manna was actually the consigliere yet or simply representing the admin before he officially stepped up. Cafaro did say Manna was consigliere in 1980 though.

Even though there is no basis for believing the Genovese had a consiglio, the way they operated in the 1970s and 80s was almost as if they did. There was basically a panel of senior and upcoming leaders who made decisions together.

That's kind of the way I'm adressing it in the book. I spoke to people in law enforcement who said Catena was still on their radar, and he was meeting with guys from time to time, like Sam Decavalcante.

Maybe it was a part-time gig. He was too busy golfing to have a full time consigliere job!

[Antiliar]

Is it possible that there were two consiglieri at the same time from the 70s to the mid-80s? Perhaps Catena held an honorary or emeritus rank and occasionally gave advice while guys like Manna performed active duty roles.

[B.]

Adding another name to the mix earlier in the 1970s, the Campi book (seemingly via Barone) has Tommy Eboli as consigliere while Lombardo was boss and Zeccardi was underboss. Eboli was murdered in 1972 while Mike Miranda died in 1973, so if true it would mean Miranda stepped down by 1972 or earlier.

Mike Miranda
Tommy Eboli
Buster Ardito
Tony Salerno
"Joe Bocca" (Ferro?)
Antonio Ferro
Dominick Alongi
Bobby Manna

Then you have these charts that list Catena. That's a lot of alleged consiglieri between 1970 and 1980.