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How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)

[Shellackhead]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)

Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.

[B.]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)

Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.

Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.

[Shellackhead]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)

Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.

Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.

Yeah ZEN idk why i said zone & a number.

Thanks B.

[B.]

It does have "zone" in it (Zona) so you were close haha.

[scagghiuni]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)

Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.

Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.

a Cosa Nostra family based in that neighborhood was formed recently, early 2000s

[Strax]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

[Shellackhead]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

[scagghiuni]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina

[OmarSantista]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina

Yes, first lead by Luciano Leggio then Riina then Provenzano. In the modern era it was suspected Matteo Messina Denaro was the head and now the possibly dead fugitive Giovanni Motisi. Denaro's heritage hailing from Castelvetrano, Trapani and Motisi's being from the Pagliarelli district in Palermo shows the Corleonesi was able to infiltrate and influence families all throughout the island. Leggio was on the second Cupola until 1974, Riina replaces him in 78 and his iron fist style of ruling really starts in 1981.

[Shellackhead]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina

Who were these bosses? You have the full list? You only hear about the victims like the magistrate, judges, lawyers, and some rival bosses like Inzerillos, Bontade, and the other guy forgot his name

[Laughmatics]

Cosa Nostra in Sicily will never be in the terrible shape that American LCN is in. They're far too entrenched in Sicilian society. Even at their weakest, they're still far more powerful than the American Mafia, and most criminal organizations in general.

[scagghiuni]

How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?

Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina

Who were these bosses? You have the full list? You only hear about the victims like the magistrate, judges, lawyers, and some rival bosses like Inzerillos, Bontade, and the other guy forgot his name

Pippo Calò (Porta Nuova), Salvatore Buscemi (Uditore), Graviano brothers (Brancaccio), Giovanni Brusca (San Giuseppe Jato), Raffaele Ganci (Noce), Matteo Messina Denaro (Trapani), Nitto Santapaola (Catania) and several others

[B.]

A big one was Giuseppe Madonia, boss of Vallelunga and part of the interprovincial Commission. He also played a big role in expanding the Sicilian mafia into Gela during that time and was a major force in the central and eastern parts of the island.

In recent years Castellammare boss Ciccio Domingo was still plotting revenge against Mariano Saracino, a member of his Family, for having supported the Corleonesi in the 1980s. I'd guess most Families had at least someone who was pro-Corleonesi as we see a lot of factionalism develop even within the same Family in the 1980s though I think for some of them it had less to do with being pro-Corleonesi and more to do with the opportunity to gain power.

A good way of thinking of the term "Corleonesi" in context with this stuff is the Castellammarese War in the US. Being part of Maranzano's "Castellammaresi" or Masseria's "Sciacchitani" didn't necessarily mean someone was from CDG or Sciacca, but that they were aligned with those factions. Joe Aiello was from Bagheria and Tom Gagliano was from Corleone but they were part of the Castellammarese faction along with many others.

Keep in mind that even though the Corleonesi were violent and treacherous, a key to building the alliance is they had a friendly approach. Pentiti have said guys like Riina and Provenzano were very approachable and kind face to face. That detail often gets lost when looking at the bigger picture of all the destruction they caused.

[Shellackhead]

A big one was Giuseppe Madonia, boss of Vallelunga and part of the interprovincial Commission. He also played a big role in expanding the Sicilian mafia into Gela during that time and was a major force in the central and eastern parts of the island.

In recent years Castellammare boss Ciccio Domingo was still plotting revenge against Mariano Saracino, a member of his Family, for having supported the Corleonesi in the 1980s. I'd guess most Families had at least someone who was pro-Corleonesi as we see a lot of factionalism develop even within the same Family in the 1980s though I think for some of them it had less to do with being pro-Corleonesi and more to do with the opportunity to gain power.

A good way of thinking of the term "Corleonesi" in context with this stuff is the Castellammarese War in the US. Being part of Maranzano's "Castellammaresi" or Masseria's "Sciacchitani" didn't necessarily mean someone was from CDG or Sciacca, but that they were aligned with those factions. Joe Aiello was from Bagheria and Tom Gagliano was from Corleone but they were part of the Castellammarese faction along with many others.

Keep in mind that even though the Corleonesi were violent and treacherous, a key to building the alliance is they had a friendly approach. Pentiti have said guys like Riina and Provenzano were very approachable and kind face to face. That detail often gets lost when looking at the bigger picture of all the destruction they caused.

You got a pic of Giuseppe Madonia? I was reading up on him 2 weeks ago