General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[JoePuzzles234]

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

Michael Spano possibly?

[funkster]

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

Michael Spano possibly?

Sounds like a solid guess.

I’m in agreement, 2-3 dozen seems like a lot.

[Patrickgold]

I know it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but two comments/questions on Scott's most recent Outfit article about Solly D. supposedly telling the Cicero guys to "cool it' with all the public social media shit.

1.) He once again claims that Sarno made quote "two to three dozen" young guys prior to going to prison. This just seems outright asinine. I think there's enough anecdotal evidence to speculate on a handful of guys he may have made, but making 24-36 guys into the Cicero crew alone is absolutely nuts considering what we know about the Outfit and made members.

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

I would say Spano would be a good choice considering Spano was with Cicero and a top guy at one time. But if DeLaurentis is sending the message then I would say another possibility would be Billy D. because he is in Solly D.’s presence often but is hardly a retired 90s “heavyweight”.

Not sure exactly where Scott B gets his info. He obviously has someone feeding him info and I highly doubt it’s law enforcement. I’m sure it’s one of the 12th st players Cicero guys but a lot of his info I find to be wrong. He did that article on that clown Stevie Bullets saying he was connected to the Outfit. Then Stevie Bullets shares the article on Facebook. Hardly Outfit involved if you’re doing publicity stunts like that. By the way, I know for a fact that Stevie Bullets is considered a rat by the Outfit guys and they would never do nothing with him.

He says Caruso Jr is a top player in Chinatown and being groomed for the top spot but my information has him living in Florida flipping houses. He says Ferriola is a top player in the Outfit but my information has him falling out of favor with the top guys because of a drug addiction in recent years. Not saying these guys are not involved but how involved are you if you’re living in Florida full time flipping houses or being a drug addict?

[Coloboy]

I know it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but two comments/questions on Scott's most recent Outfit article about Solly D. supposedly telling the Cicero guys to "cool it' with all the public social media shit.

1.) He once again claims that Sarno made quote "two to three dozen" young guys prior to going to prison. This just seems outright asinine. I think there's enough anecdotal evidence to speculate on a handful of guys he may have made, but making 24-36 guys into the Cicero crew alone is absolutely nuts considering what we know about the Outfit and made members.

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

I would say Spano would be a good choice considering Spano was with Cicero and a top guy at one time. But if DeLaurentis is sending the message then I would say another possibility would be Billy D. because he is in Solly D.’s presence often but is hardly a retired 90s “heavyweight”.

Not sure exactly where Scott B gets his info. He obviously has someone feeding him info and I highly doubt it’s law enforcement. I’m sure it’s one of the 12th st players Cicero guys but a lot of his info I find to be wrong. He did that article on that clown Stevie Bullets saying he was connected to the Outfit. Then Stevie Bullets shares the article on Facebook. Hardly Outfit involved if you’re doing publicity stunts like that. By the way, I know for a fact that Stevie Bullets is considered a rat by the Outfit guys and they would never do nothing with him.

He says Caruso Jr is a top player in Chinatown and being groomed for the top spot but my information has him living in Florida flipping houses. He says Ferriola is a top player in the Outfit but my information has him falling out of favor with the top guys because of a drug addiction in recent years. Not saying these guys are not involved but how involved are you if you’re living in Florida full time flipping houses or being a drug addict?

No idea about Ferriola, but I can confirm that caruso Jr lives in FL and him being involved directly in the outfit seems unlikely, but anything is possible

[aray22]

I know it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but two comments/questions on Scott's most recent Outfit article about Solly D. supposedly telling the Cicero guys to "cool it' with all the public social media shit.

1.) He once again claims that Sarno made quote "two to three dozen" young guys prior to going to prison. This just seems outright asinine. I think there's enough anecdotal evidence to speculate on a handful of guys he may have made, but making 24-36 guys into the Cicero crew alone is absolutely nuts considering what we know about the Outfit and made members.

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

Not sure exactly where Scott B gets his info.

From both sides of the law!

[Patrickgold]

I know it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but two comments/questions on Scott's most recent Outfit article about Solly D. supposedly telling the Cicero guys to "cool it' with all the public social media shit.

1.) He once again claims that Sarno made quote "two to three dozen" young guys prior to going to prison. This just seems outright asinine. I think there's enough anecdotal evidence to speculate on a handful of guys he may have made, but making 24-36 guys into the Cicero crew alone is absolutely nuts considering what we know about the Outfit and made members.

2.) He says "DeLaurentis allegedly sent word to the Cicero crew early last month by way of a retired Outfit heavyweight from the 1990s to cool their proverbial cowboy boots in the peacocking and quick-fist department". Any guesses who he is referencing here?

Not sure exactly where Scott B gets his info.

From both sides of the law!

Considering there are like only supposedly 5 FBI agents max still investigating the Outfit and 0 CPD or Cook County Sheriffs, I would love to know who in law enforcement is feeding him information

[Patrickgold]

Ivan,

I was responding to your post about Stevie Bullets and Andy Rovito but it got deleted. Here is my response.

The title to that article Scott did about Stevie Bullets has “Still a shooter for the outfit”. The guy was never a shooter for the outfit. He was a drug addicted gang member who shot and got shot over drugs. Not outfit business.

In regards to Andy Rovito. I always get the different Rovitos
mixed up because they are always fighting with each other but Andy is supposedly a snitch and a con artists. I believe he was named as talking to the Feds in the Carparelli case. John Rovito was manager of Scores strip club in Stone Park until recently. He has recently moved to Hilton Head, South Carolina to open an Italian restaurant called Costal Capri. What interesting things have you heard about Andy?

[Ivan]

In regards to Andy Rovito. I always get the different Rovitos
mixed up because they are always fighting with each other but Andy is supposedly a snitch and a con artists. I believe he was named as talking to the Feds in the Carparelli case. John Rovito was manager of Scores strip club in Stone Park until recently. He has recently moved to Hilton Head, South Carolina to open an Italian restaurant called Costal Capri. What interesting things have you heard about Andy?

Yeah I deleted it because I wanted to double check something (to make sure there weren't any more articles about that Stevie Bullets guy on Scott's site that I had overlooked as I kind of searched for that one in a hurry with just "Stevie Bullets" without searching for other possible articles using his real name etc., which was sloppy research practice on my part) and ask again tomorrow when I got a minute, but thanks for the reply.

I thought John was the Rovito talking to the feds in that case?

This is what I heard about Andy but I can't imagine this is true. Don't shoot the messenger if this is unforgivably stupid.

- Gigi and (get this) Andy are both made guys
- They were NOT made by Sarno in that alleged "batch", but in recent years by Solly D
- Solly D was hesitant to make Gigi because he's a rapist and actually made Andy first
- Solly D came around to making Gigi some time later and Gigi is annoyed that his brother got made first

Edit to add that "con artist" makes sense for him because some of his arrests are for like forgery. Anyway, he seems too small-time to me to be made guy material.

[Patrickgold]

In regards to Andy Rovito. I always get the different Rovitos
mixed up because they are always fighting with each other but Andy is supposedly a snitch and a con artists. I believe he was named as talking to the Feds in the Carparelli case. John Rovito was manager of Scores strip club in Stone Park until recently. He has recently moved to Hilton Head, South Carolina to open an Italian restaurant called Costal Capri. What interesting things have you heard about Andy?

Yeah I deleted it because I wanted to double check something (to make sure there weren't any more articles about that Stevie Bullets guy on Scott's site that I had overlooked as I kind of searched for that one in a hurry with just "Stevie Bullets" without searching for other possible articles using his real name etc., which was sloppy research practice on my part) and ask again tomorrow when I got a minute, but thanks for the reply.

I thought John was the Rovito talking to the feds in that case?

This is what I heard about Andy but I can't imagine this is true. Don't shoot the messenger if this is unforgivably stupid.

- Gigi and (get this) Andy are both made guys
- They were NOT made by Sarno in that alleged "batch", but in recent years by Solly D
- Solly D was hesitant to make Gigi because he's a rapist and actually made Andy first
- Solly D came around to making Gigi some time later and Gigi is annoyed that his brother got made first

Edit to add that "con artist" makes sense for him because some of his arrests are for like forgery. Anyway, he seems too small-time to me to be made guy material.

Your right. As I said, I always get the Rovitos confused lol. John gave a statement to the Feds. Despite that, he was able to work at Scores as the manager. He did move to Hilton Head recently to open up a new restaurant. Andy is the cousin of Gigi. Scratch the snitch part for him. No know snitching incidents for him. His prior arrests is more aligned with Gypsys then an Outfit guy.

Interesting information about both the Rovito’s. Everyone I talk to say there is no way Gigi is made and that he is a goof. How reliable is your information?

[JoePuzzles234]

Your right. As I said, I always get the Rovitos confused lol. John gave a statement to the Feds. Despite that, he was able to work at Scores as the manager. He did move to Hilton Head recently to open up a new restaurant. Andy is the cousin of Gigi. Scratch the snitch part for him. No know snitching incidents for him. His prior arrests is more aligned with Gypsys then an Outfit guy.

Interesting information about both the Rovito’s. Everyone I talk to say there is no way Gigi is made and that he is a goof. How reliable is your information?

Andrew is Gigi's brother, as is John, who is also the son-in-law of Michael Spano.

Not sure if it's the same guy talking to Ivan but I was told this in late July last year:

You need to boost Andy Rovito up to soldier, as he earned his stripe last year, which pissed off his brother, who can never get his button, due to an old rape conviction.

The brother being referenced is Gigi. It seems doubtful that Andrew is a member as well as any sort of prior conviction preventing induction, given all the historical examples

[Ivan]

Interesting information about both the Rovito’s. Everyone I talk to say there is no way Gigi is made and that he is a goof. How reliable is your information?

Not very. This is someone who seems to know a lot but he also said this about the Rovitos. He said that bit and I was like "is this dude high".

Not sure if it's the same guy talking to Ivan but I was told this in late July last year:

You need to boost Andy Rovito up to soldier, as he earned his stripe last year, which pissed off his brother, who can never get his button, due to an old rape conviction.

The brother being referenced is Gigi. It seems doubtful that Andrew is a member as well as any sort of prior conviction preventing induction, given all the historical examples

Could be the same dude. My guy was just some online rando who seemed very knowledgeable until he seemed to go off the rails with the Rovitos thing.

It's not a seriously vetted source like that guy Antiliar talked to a while back.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it. I was just curious what you guys thought because I never heard about Andrew at all except for all his shitty little arrests over the years on that one site, and for being Gigi's brother. Claim kind of came out of nowhere.

Here's Johnny restaurant. Name suggests possible affiliation with his brother's business. I believe this is the "Johnny" you can hear Carparelli talking about in some of his infamous recordings.

https://coastalcapri.com/

Spitballing here: Could be the case that Andy, who has a history of fraud arrests, is just going around bullshitting about being made because he's the kind of person who does that sort of thing, and this BSing has made its way to the internet.

Edit to add that I agree with you JoePuzzles, no one is going to care if Gigi assaulted some broad when he was a minor 30 years ago. That's one of the things that set of my BS detector. But who knows, maybe Solly D is weird about that particular point.

[Snakes]

If I recell, Gigi talked to the feds during the Carparelli investigation and was subpoenaed to testify, but refused to do so (5th amendment). Davis's attorneys tried to have him immunized because he believed he could help his case by testifying, but it was denied by the government. John was granted immunity and actually testified.

[JoePuzzles234]

Spitballing here: Could be the case that Andy, who has a history of fraud arrests, is just going around bullshitting about being made because he's the kind of person who does that sort of thing, and this BSing has made its way to the internet.

It may have been something circulated by Boka originally. I remember seeing that one photo of Rovito with a woman at a casino or some place like that and then another Illinois state prison mugshot, both captioned with him as a member.

[Ivan]

It may have been something circulated by Boka originally. I remember seeing that one photo of Rovito with a woman at a casino or some place like that and then another Illinois state prison mugshot, both captioned with him as a member.

Could be. I've seen the thread you're talking about by the way. Here's the link.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comments ... dy_rovito/

Here is his rather impressively large collection of arrest mugshots.

https://illinois.arrests.org/search.php ... ame=Rovito

I have had nasty experiences with con artists before and that kind of person will just sit there and lie for no reason. Like they'll lie in ways that doesn't help them, ways that actually makes things worse for them. That's why I speculated that Andrew, being a fraudster, might be the kind of guy who would just go around telling people he's made when he's not, and if he had made such claims, they might have made their way to internet people.

[NorthBuffalo]

If I recell, Gigi talked to the feds during the Carparelli investigation and was subpoenaed to testify, but refused to do so (5th amendment). Davis's attorneys tried to have him immunized because he believed he could help his case by testifying, but it was denied by the government. John was granted immunity and actually testified.

Correct. However, his testimony barely helped the government - his testimony in court differed from the information given under a Santiago Proffer they had taken from him earlier. The implication being perhaps he got cold feet about how much to cooperate.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-7t ... 63564.html