Skinny Joey

[Pogo The Clown]

NY can shelve/demote a Boss. Bonanno and Magliocco being two prime examples. It has even happened in Philly when NY demoted Antonio Pollina and installed Angelo Bruno as boss.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Yeah buddy, in 1955.

If youre arguing FOR a Commission, love to see some evidence.

[jmack]

Yeah buddy, in 1955.

If youre arguing FOR a Commission, love to see some evidence.

I think you’re both arguing semantics here. COULD New York shelve a boss, of course. They have the muscle to do it. Will they actually do it from a practical standpoint, probably not. Nobody is leaving bodies in the streets anymore, particularly when NY doesn’t have a vested interest in who’s boss. Random joint ventures aside, I really don’t think NY gives a shit.

[Pogo The Clown]

Or we can go up to 2000 where the NY families discussed demoting Carmine Persico. Not just demoting him as boss but splitting up his family and distributing its members among themselves. So yes if NY is so inclined they can demote Merlino and install whoever they want as Boss. We have also seen plenty of examples of that in Philly. Pretty much every Philly Boss has been installed by NY with the Philly membership having no say over it so I don’t see how it can be a shock if they decided to name Borgesi as the Boss.


Pogo

[Little_Al1991]

Or we can go up to 2000 where the NY families discussed demoting Carmine Persico. Not just demoting him as boss but splitting up his family and distributing its members among themselves. So yes if NY is so inclined they can demote Merlino and install whoever they want as Boss. We have also seen plenty of examples of that in Philly. Pretty much every Philly Boss has been installed by NY with the Philly membership having no say over it so I don’t see how it can be a shock if they decided to name Borgesi as the Boss.


Pogo

Did that really happen in 2000? I’ve read about that but it seems far fetched. Especially when considering how Pennisi has put an end to the idea that the Colombo’s are “weak” he’s spoken well of them. The idea that the forum’s gave in regards to the Colombo was that they are practically nothing
For years, all we’ve heard about them are that they are very weak and the question of why is Persico still the boss.

[Brovelli]

Retired, not shelved. Keeps made man status and rights but isn't involved unless it involves him and his directly. That's my take. Just don't see Joey doing it any other way.

I just don't see how New York would allow him to retain "his stripes" as they say which is why Scott and Capeci's reporting made sense to me that they had to apply pressure to Philly to get them to do something about it. Would be interesting if we ever find out how it's all gone down but shelved or not I don't think Joey will ever say anything. But crazier things have happened so we'll see

Joey doesn't care about what New York thinks. He's the one who told the Luccheses he would send them back to New York in body bags. He's not shelved or kicked out. He's retired or in some sort of advisor position of whatever is left in Philly (basically nothing). What's New York going to do to him? Just all made up nonsense.

If Joey cared what anyone thought he wouldn’t be doing a podcast still, I have no doubt he doesn’t care similar that I don’t think he cares whether he is still in the mafia or not. Nonetheless, reports have been that he has been removed from the mob call it shelved call it whatever. I personally would expect that to be the case and New York may well have had to pressure Philly guys to do something about it as they’re all close to him. Or as pogo suggests it’s even possible New York dictates he is out. If he is still a made guy and not shelved, I would say that’s pretty embarrassing on the ongoing existence of that life. It’s possible of course but a bad look if true.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Yeah buddy, in 1955.

If youre arguing FOR a Commission, love to see some evidence.

I think you’re both arguing semantics here. COULD New York shelve a boss, of course. They have the muscle to do it. Will they actually do it from a practical standpoint, probably not. Nobody is leaving bodies in the streets anymore, particularly when NY doesn’t have a vested interest in who’s boss. Random joint ventures aside, I really don’t think NY gives a shit.

Agree.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Or we can go up to 2000 where the NY families discussed demoting Carmine Persico. Not just demoting him as boss but splitting up his family and distributing its members among themselves. So yes if NY is so inclined they can demote Merlino and install whoever they want as Boss. We have also seen plenty of examples of that in Philly. Pretty much every Philly Boss has been installed by NY with the Philly membership having no say over it so I don’t see how it can be a shock if they decided to name Borgesi as the Boss.

So Mannino called Georgie and said 'Ive decided Joeys out, youre no1.'

And Georgie then went and told Joey.

Ok.
You can believe that if you want too.

[SonnyBlackstein]

The ONLY thing Mannino would do is tell Gambino members to pay Joey no mind.

Thats not, NY SHELVING Joey.

[furiofromnaples]

Merlino have money but many wiseguys in philly have bussinesses in Jersey with NY so I doubt that they want to lose money for let Joey made podcast. Thats it. Its enought to menace to lost money for force Philly to shelve or force to retire Merlino.

[Pogo The Clown]

Or we can go up to 2000 where the NY families discussed demoting Carmine Persico. Not just demoting him as boss but splitting up his family and distributing its members among themselves. So yes if NY is so inclined they can demote Merlino and install whoever they want as Boss. We have also seen plenty of examples of that in Philly. Pretty much every Philly Boss has been installed by NY with the Philly membership having no say over it so I don’t see how it can be a shock if they decided to name Borgesi as the Boss.


Pogo

Did that really happen in 2000? I’ve read about that but it seems far fetched. Especially when considering how Pennisi has put an end to the idea that the Colombo’s are “weak” he’s spoken well of them. The idea that the forum’s gave in regards to the Colombo was that they are practically nothing
For years, all we’ve heard about them are that they are very weak and the question of why is Persico still the boss.

Yes it was a topic of conversation. They ultimately decided against it because they felt it would be too disrespectful to Persico and because the other families didn’t want to absorb Colombo members that they didn’t know into their own families.

So Mannino called Georgie and said 'Ive decided Joeys out, youre no1.'

And Georgie then went and told Joey.

Ok.
You can believe that if you want too.

I don’t know how it went down. I would imagine it went something like how in 1959 they sent word that Pollina is out and Bruno is now the Boss. Or how in 1980 they sent word that Testa is now the Boss. Or in 1981 that Scarfo is now the Boss. Or in 1990 that
Scarfo is out and Stanfa is now the Boss. Or in 1994 that Stanfa is out and Natale is now the Boss.


Pogo

[Newyorkempire]

2000 was a quarter century ago. And nothing happened to Persicos position. That's a horrible analogy and means nothing

Senile

[SonnyBlackstein]

I don’t know how it went down. I would imagine it went something like how in 1959 they sent word that Pollina is out and Bruno is now the Boss. Or how in 1980 they sent word that Testa is now the Boss. Or in 1981 that Scarfo is now the Boss. Or in 1990 that
Scarfo is out and Stanfa is now the Boss. Or in 1994 that Stanfa is out and Natale is now the Boss.

Understand your point, just disagree.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Senile

Cant you just argue a point without getting personal.

Guess you cant. Unable.

[Pogo The Clown]

2000 was a quarter century ago. And nothing happened to Persicos position. That's a horrible analogy and means nothing

Senile

No shit. I just said the families decided against it at said meeting. The point was to show that the NY families can depose a Boss if they so choose. As usual your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.


Pogo