What would have happened if the books wouldn't been closed from 1957 to 1976?

[furiofromnaples]

It's not such a stupid question,maybe families could have expanded more and small ones could have increased the number of members.

[SonnyBlackstein]

The title of this thread deserves its own thread.

[Pmac2]

guys who would have gotten there button in there late 20tys or 30tys just waited 20 years. it kinda worked it weeded out the weak and the guys who stuck around as associates got rewarded. take a frank deccico or anthony spero both in there late 20tys had to wait till 1976 to get made in there late 40tys
but would have been made sooner if books were open in nyc. some guys there same age got made in the 50tys. persico, scarpa .Sammy aparo. Just got lucky to get a button before the books closed for 2 decades

[cavita]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

[scagghiuni]

the Mafia does not base its strength on the number of members, but on quality

[Pogo The Clown]

Quantity has a quality of its own.


Pogo

[NothingNew44]

More members sure, but we know now that also means more informants. The downward trajectory was already set in motion, more inductions doesn’t change that. I think a more potentially impactful moment during that period would be what would have happened if Apalachin wasn’t exposed or Valachi doesn’t flip. Just my opinion.

[Coloboy]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

[furiofromnaples]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

Chicago never used the traditional induction ceremony but for the other families that asked to New York they can't induct members.

[Snakes]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

Chicago never used the traditional induction ceremony but for the other families that asked to New York they can't induct members.

They did use the traditional method and what people have described as "non-traditional" making ceremonies were done by a lot of east coast families, including New York.

[furiofromnaples]

More members sure, but we know now that also means more informants. The downward trajectory was already set in motion, more inductions doesn’t change that. I think a more potentially impactful moment during that period would be what would have happened if Apalachin wasn’t exposed or Valachi doesn’t flip. Just my opinion.

Sooner or later will be a big summit that would be raided by police and another wiseguy to flip. The FBI know about the mob even in the 1950s and there was high profile informants that only now we know. But close the books at the peak of activity only because someone buyed his button is absurd.
And with no RICO or Witsec plus inducted members wont create more informants because the mobsters made in the old years was more tought that who was made after 1976.

[furiofromnaples]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

Chicago never used the traditional induction ceremony but for the other families that asked to New York they can't induct members.

They did use the traditional method and what people have described as "non-traditional" making ceremonies were done by a lot of east coast families, including New York.

Give me an example.

[Snakes]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

Chicago never used the traditional induction ceremony but for the other families that asked to New York they can't induct members.

They did use the traditional method and what people have described as "non-traditional" making ceremonies were done by a lot of east coast families, including New York.

Give me an example.

Nick Calabrese said they used the burning saint and all that.

The Bonannos made a guy by pulling over to the side of the highway and telling him he was made. Not sure you can get much more "non-traditional" than that.

[Aunt+Baby]

This closing of the books was really only New York/NY area correct?

That's my understanding as well. I know there are several examples of high profile Chicago Outfit members that were supposedly inducted in this era.

Chicago never used the traditional induction ceremony but for the other families that asked to New York they can't induct members.

You are thinking of the east coast families. You’re getting the families confused. You’re from Europe, ya? You’re getting Chicago mixed up with the Bonnano family & the Philadelphia family. One of the bonnano bosses got rid of the making ceremony & they just had random dinners for guys. In Philadelphia, they made non-Italian people & there are records of them not using a ceremony

The Chicago family is the most similar to Italy

[Aunt+Baby]

Chicagos books were closed until 1976.