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PolackTony wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:24 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:45 pm
PolackTony wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:28 pm
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cavita wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:59 pm It says The Clown was mistaken for Joe Lombardi in the article. Was this Joe "Pretty Boy" Lombardi? What was the story on him....anyone have any specific info?
Juice guy. Did two separate stretches in prison, both for juice, once in the 70s and again in the 90s. It doesn't appear he was ever made. He died in 2013.
Yes, so far as I know he remained an associate with the EP crew. Joseph Lombardi, Jr, was born in 1936 in Chicago and he was a paesan' of Willie Messino. His parents were Giuseppe Lombardi of Acerra and Rosa Renello, born in Chicago to Acerresi parents. Joe Lombard, also like Messino, grew up in the Taylor St neighborhood and it's safe to assume that their families all knew each other.

In December of 1963, Gagliano crew juice loan client Joe Weisphal ran to the cops after he was beaten and terrorized into signing over checks to pay off part of his delinquent juice loan that he owed to Willie Messino's loansharking operation. Messino, Al Sarno, Chris Cardi (another Acerrese and Messino's relative, of course), Patsy Di Costanzo, and Johnny DeFronzo were charged with extortion and assault in the case. Notably, Joe *Lombardo* (who was, of course, Barese and totally unrelated to the other guy, though "The Clown's" actual surname was also Lombardi, originally) was also picked up and charged when investigators confused him for the other Joe (in court, Weisphal failed to recognize Lombardo as the Joe Lombardi that he had accused of taking part in his terrorizing). All of these men wound up getting acquitted on all charges, though the case caused something of an uproar in the local press as LE discovered multiple attempts to bribe jurors in the case.

This case brought a lot of heat down on the Cerone/Gagliano crew and on the juice racket in Chicago more broadly, which became much harder to operate in the 1960s/70s due to increasing pressure from Federal and local LE. Another black eye for Messino came a few years later in 1965, when he and associates Joe Lombardi, Jr, George Bravos, and Sandor Caravallo were charged with crimes including kidnapping and aggravated assault for the confinement and brutal beating of three Greek brothers, businessmen in the NW burbs who were in default on their juice loans to Messino's operation. Messino was famously apprehended after initially escaping authorities during a wild shootout with IL state LE agents under the command of IL Crime Commission head Charles Siragusa. In 1967, Messino, Lombardi, and Bravos were convicted and given stiff sentences, which were upheld on appeal in 1967. I'm not sure when Lombardi was released from this case, as he was given 5-to-20 years and his parole was denied in 1975.

Apart from working as a juice collector for his paesan' Messino (I think it's safe to assume that for most of his mob career, at least, Lombardi would have been an associate on record with Messino), he was also involved in burglary and armed robbery per FBI intel, and was also named as being involved in the bolita (PR numbers) racket in the 1970s (although, it's possible that Lombardi was again conflated with Joe Lombardo for the latter allegations, as he was incarcerated at the time).

He was living in SW suburban Bridgeview when he died in 2013. Interestingly, he -- or his relatives -- seem to have retained some kind of clout even in his later years, in that a 2021 Sun-Times article discussed how the mobbed Cook County Assessor's office under Joe Berrios had continued to grant tax breaks on the property for several years after Lombardi had passed.
So was this Lombardi ever involved in the porn industry for the Outfit in the 1970s as far as you know?
Not that I recall ATM. He was incarcerated into 1976, at the earliest, also. If you post some of the info about the guy you're thinking of, maybe we can see if it's the same person.
Snakes wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:20 pm Yeah, that article is the only evidence I have he died. I never found an obit or SSDI
Same.
Rockford police provided this history of adult bookstore ownership in Rockford which was connected to the Rockford LCN: Jacob “Bucky” Seibert owned the porno stores from the mid-1960s until 1969 when R.J. Sales Co., Inc. took over. That company was owned by Claude “Junior” Ridens and Joseph Lombardi. Ridens and Lombardi added a partner and other corporate names while they owned the stores here, and the firms opened a Rockford warehouse which was raided by the police in December 1973. In 1973 all of the Ridens and Lombardi corporations were dissolved and the operations were taken over by International Amusements Limited, Inc., a Canadian corporation which Steve Baker was listed as the president. International Amusements was listed as being operated out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa but Baker was down as being from Ontario, Canada. Baker was also listed as the general manager of Cinematic-Vending Corp., which handled distribution and sales of films and projectors. Reuben Sterman, who was born in Canada, was associated with Cinematic. Eagle Books, Inc. took over operations in Rockford in 1975. Listed as president, secretary, treasurer and director of Eagle Books was James Forester, who listed his address as 322 E. State Street, the same address as the Adult Book and Cinema. Rockford police had said they traced Forester to a southern Indiana adult bookstore where he was only a clerk. Forester had apparently told Rockford police he was paid for the use of his name on the corporation records.
Thanks for posting. This wouldn't be the Joe Lombardi who was with EP, as he was incarcerated at the time. Does it say elsewhere that the Lombardi referenced here was a Chicago guy or affiliated with Chicago LCN? There were, of course, a number of Sicilian Lombardos in Rockford who sometimes spelled their surname "Lombardi" in documents, so I'm wondering if he was in fact a Rockford guy?
Yes this looks like an area I need investigate further and I think I may have assumed a Chicago connection because there was a meeting in Chicago over this but there was also a New York connection- this 1977 article went on to say how the local police had information that Rockford adult bookstores were linked to the New York mafia families. Police investigators had known since 1970 that local peek-show machines were purchased from the New York mafia families. They went on to say that the distribution of pornographic magazines in the city was traced to Reuben Sterman of Cleveland, Ohio and he was described as an associate of Joe Colombo, who headed the Colombo family of New York.

It was also reported that the two main Rockford adult book stores took in between $50,000 to $150,000 a year from the 25-cent peep shows alone and that estimate may have been on the low side. Under the arrangement, the New York mafia families get back 50 percent of the money brought in on the films shown in Rockford with the other 50 percent going to the stores’ owners, Eagle Books, Inc., a Delaware Corporation. The two stores in question were the Adult Book and Cinema Store at 322 E. State Street and the Book Mart II Adult Book Store at 623 7th Street. By 1979, the names of the bookstores had changed to International Amusements, but they were still in the business of selling “adult” books.

Police said the New York connection began in 1969 when a former bookstore owner in Rockford met with representatives of the New York mafia in Chicago and purchased movie machines. Local police said they were told by the FBI that agents have followed trucks which collect the proceeds from the coin-operated, peep-show machines, traveling from Rockford to Madison and Milwaukee. A man who had identified himself as the manager of the Adult Book and Cinema Store declined to talk about the police claims and he refused to tell a reporter who owned the store, where the profits went and what his name was. All he stated was, “I better not say anything.” The Rockford police stated that persons in Rockford also receive a percentage of the profits but they have not been able to confirm it.
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PolackTony wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:03 pm Thanks for the reminder on Rosemarie Lombardi. The 2021 Sun-Times article referenced above noted that her and her brother were listed as residing at their father's former residence in Bridgeview during the investigation into the tax breaks. When she ran for Addison mayor in 1997, it was noted that she worked for a major Loop law firm. Not sure which one, but good chance that she may have been the one with the pull to get favors from the Assessor's office.

Quite the character. As referenced in the Reader article above, she unsuccessfully attempted to sue the Addison PD for excessive force after they arrested her at her home on an outstanding warrant for failure to appear in court in 2000:
https://casetext.com/case/lombardi-v-range

Regarding Joe Lombardi being "deactivated". Recall also that when he was pinched for the 1993 juice loan case, this was an Infelise crew operation he was working with -- he was busted alongside Sarno, Cataudella, and Mike Castaldo. Whether he was chased by EP or just transferred, it would seem that by this time he was affiliated with Taylor St/Cicero, which of course makes sense given where he was from.
Castaldo was also EP - he became partners with Lombardi following the latter's blow up with Messino, who was Lombardi's original partner in the juice business. Per Fosco, Lombardi and Messino were 'separated' and Lombardi put with Mike Castaldo, who was a major earner under Cerone/DiFronzo. I think this was a 'joint operation' as opposed to just Cicero.

The way the juice business was explained to me was that in the 1990s all of the various crews like EP and Cicero would use each other's enforcers to collect and that changed completely after the 1990s indictments. These were separate juice operations involving guys like Cataudella and Sarno who were being farmed out as enforcers and collectors to other crews. I think if you read those indictments, Castaldo was largely the one in charge.
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Nothing really new here except for the book being plugged, but here's a fun news report on Geri Rosenthal. I will never get tired of this story. It's not just a great mob story, it's a great American story in general.

https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/ ... -new-book/
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NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:15 pm
PolackTony wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:03 pm Thanks for the reminder on Rosemarie Lombardi. The 2021 Sun-Times article referenced above noted that her and her brother were listed as residing at their father's former residence in Bridgeview during the investigation into the tax breaks. When she ran for Addison mayor in 1997, it was noted that she worked for a major Loop law firm. Not sure which one, but good chance that she may have been the one with the pull to get favors from the Assessor's office.

Quite the character. As referenced in the Reader article above, she unsuccessfully attempted to sue the Addison PD for excessive force after they arrested her at her home on an outstanding warrant for failure to appear in court in 2000:
https://casetext.com/case/lombardi-v-range

Regarding Joe Lombardi being "deactivated". Recall also that when he was pinched for the 1993 juice loan case, this was an Infelise crew operation he was working with -- he was busted alongside Sarno, Cataudella, and Mike Castaldo. Whether he was chased by EP or just transferred, it would seem that by this time he was affiliated with Taylor St/Cicero, which of course makes sense given where he was from.
Castaldo was also EP - he became partners with Lombardi following the latter's blow up with Messino, who was Lombardi's original partner in the juice business. Per Fosco, Lombardi and Messino were 'separated' and Lombardi put with Mike Castaldo, who was a major earner under Cerone/DiFronzo. I think this was a 'joint operation' as opposed to just Cicero.

The way the juice business was explained to me was that in the 1990s all of the various crews like EP and Cicero would use each other's enforcers to collect and that changed completely after the 1990s indictments. These were separate juice operations involving guys like Cataudella and Sarno who were being farmed out as enforcers and collectors to other crews. I think if you read those indictments, Castaldo was largely the one in charge.
Yeah, you’re right that Fosco always placed Castaldo with EP. Like Messino and Lombardi, he was also from Taylor St and also Accerese. It would seem that Messino had formed his own little “crew” of paesani from Taylor St within the EP crew. I also agree that Castaldo was the big fish in the 1993 case. While I don’t know that it was ever confirmed by the FBI, I strongly suspect that Mike Castaldo was made by this point, and would then presumably have been the only made guy pinched in that case. Interesting that this was also the period when we know Sarno was meeting with Andriacchi.

Mike Castaldo had an early pinch, along with another guy from Taylor St, John Muscato, in the 1950s for assaulting wealthy River Forest businessman Frank Munao while collecting on a $20k juice loan, allegedly for Joe Amabile. By the early 1960s, FBI intel had him as “partnered” with Messino in the operation of Tammy’s, a tavern located at Belmont and Austin on the NW side. I would imagine that at some time before then, Messino had put him on record with the Cerone crew.

Tangential to this discussion, but the mother of Tancredi Tortora was also a Castaldo, so there’s a good chance that Mike Castaldo was related to Tortora. As a reminder, Tortora was a Taylor St gangster (likely affiliated with the old Camorra) in the 1920s from Acerra who was the buddy of Johnny Roselli and who, according to the story that Roselli allegedly told Sal Piscopo of the LA outfit, had collaborated with Roselli in the murder of Anibale Stilo in Boston in 1927. Tortora and Roselli then fled Boston for Chicago and subsequently were given safe harbor in LA. Tortora later turned himself in to authorities, allegedly, per Piscopo, on the orders of Vito Genovese (who was also a paesan’ from the same district of Caserta) and was afterwards deported back to Acerra, where the FBI in the 1960s unsuccessfully tried to interview him as to the true identity of Roselli. There is a long history to these Taylor St guys.
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So this guy Gigi is a made outfit member?
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Cheech wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:46 am So this guy Gigi is a made outfit member?
No one really knows. Burnstein's sources are telling him he is made, and he is heavily rumored to be such on the internet, but it's never been confirmed by like the FBI or someone important flipping or whatever.

The main opinions you hear on the matter are that he was made in the late 2000s as part of a batch of gangbanger types who got straightened out by Mike Sarno, or he got made recently under Solly D, or he isn't made at all and all of this is bullshit. Take your pick! :lol:
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I think if Burnstein did half the research some of the guys on this board do, his scoops would be something. Why not write a deeper article on Caliendo of the Cicero crew being outed in witness protection in Kansas or this indictment of the son of a well-known sicilian mobster trading guns to a Colombian cartel. Look at guys like Rick Simon who are still in places of power in Chicago who had major mob connections for decades.

But hey...there's a photo of Gigi Rovito on Facebook again.
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NorthBuffalo wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:12 am I think if Burnstein did half the research some of the guys on this board do, his scoops would be something. Why not write a deeper article on Caliendo of the Cicero crew being outed in witness protection in Kansas or this indictment of the son of a well-known sicilian mobster trading guns to a Colombian cartel. Look at guys like Rick Simon who are still in places of power in Chicago who had major mob connections for decades.

But hey...there's a photo of Gigi Rovito on Facebook again.
Just to note. People online have been calling Pietro LaBalestra a "Sicilian zip" for some years now, but he isn't Sicilian. He's from Mola di Bari.

Bari, of course, has its own "mafia" (derived from 'ndrangheta and camorra influences) with longstanding ties to Chicago LCN.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:32 am Just to note. People online have been calling Pietro LaBalestra a "Sicilian zip" for some years now, but he isn't Sicilian. He's from Mola di Bari.
Another thing you see is people who were born in Sicily but moved here when they were like three with their parents and are basically fully American being called "Zips."

"Zip" to my mind always meant "Sicilian deliberately imported to the USA to facilitate organized crime activity" but that might be too narrow given how it's apparently used more broadly now (by others, not me).
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Ivan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:43 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:32 am Just to note. People online have been calling Pietro LaBalestra a "Sicilian zip" for some years now, but he isn't Sicilian. He's from Mola di Bari.
Another thing you see is people who were born in Sicily but moved here when they were like three with their parents and are basically fully American being called "Zips."

"Zip" to my mind always meant "Sicilian deliberately imported to the USA to facilitate organized crime activity" but that might be too narrow given how it's apparently used more broadly now (by others, not me).
Yeah, "zip" in its strict sense really should denote guys who already had some affiliation with Cosa Nostra in Sicily before arriving in the US. And even the assumption that all of these types were "sent" or "imported" in a deliberate, instrumental fashion is overstated, as there were many of them who surely arrived in the US for various personal reasons as part of the "second wave" of Italian immigration. They navigated this dynamic, in part, via their ties to Cosa Nostra, but it wasn't like they were all called in to some backroom in Palermo and told "Pino, you're going to NYC; Mimmu, you're going to Chicago; Enzu, you're part of a batch of 5 zips requested in Philly. You all ship out tomorrow... ", or whatever (there are, I'm certain, people who really think things worked like this).

There were Sicilians with ties to Sicilian Cosa Nostra in Chicago when the height of the "zip" stuff was going on in NYC/NJ, we just know much less about what they were up to. There were also a bunch of other Sicilians who arrived in Chicago/IL in this period, some of whom we can presume had familial and social connections to people in the mafia network, though they weren't "zips" in any meaningful way. There's a continuum here, as, again, all of these things were embedded in a broader demographic and social context that doesn't reduce in any simple way to mafia stuff alone.

Importantly, there were also a bunch of guys from mainland southern Italy with ties to the "mafias" in those regions in Chicago during the same period. These organizations also intersected to some extent with Chicago LCN and with each other (I think it's also very much worth noting that these intersections were happening during a period where the leadership strata of these organizations back in Italy were, as recounted by pentiti like Leonardo Messina and others, coming to think of themselves as all manifestations of the same "thing"). It's now been 50-60 years with these ties taking root and evolving locally, so they are by now deeply embedded in the local OC landscape. These "second wave" families, while retaining close ties back to Italy in the age of the internet and cheap travel, are at the same time thoroughly Americanized by now and many have intermarried with longstanding "first Wave" Ital-Americans, including families with deep connection to the Chicago LCN network.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:02 pm Importantly, there were also a bunch of guys from mainland southern Italy with ties to the "mafias" in those regions in Chicago during the same period. These organizations also intersected to some extent with Chicago LCN and with each other (I think it's also very much worth noting that these intersections were happening during a period where the leadership strata of these organizations back in Italy were, as recounted by pentiti like Leonardo Messina and others, coming to think of themselves as all manifestations of the same "thing").
OK now this is interesting. Like the Comorra, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, American Cosa Nostra, etc. all started thinking themselves as manifestations of some kind of Platonic ideal or whatever of "southern Italian secret criminal society", am I interpreting what you're saying correctly?
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Ivan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:21 pm
PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:02 pm Importantly, there were also a bunch of guys from mainland southern Italy with ties to the "mafias" in those regions in Chicago during the same period. These organizations also intersected to some extent with Chicago LCN and with each other (I think it's also very much worth noting that these intersections were happening during a period where the leadership strata of these organizations back in Italy were, as recounted by pentiti like Leonardo Messina and others, coming to think of themselves as all manifestations of the same "thing").
OK now this is interesting. Like the Comorra, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, American Cosa Nostra, etc. all started thinking themselves as manifestations of some kind of Platonic ideal or whatever of "southern Italian secret criminal society", am I interpreting what you're saying correctly?
Kind of reminds me of what happened with Luciano and the group in the early 30's with the formation of the commission. No more disparate sects. We are all "italian".
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Coloboy wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:03 pm
Ivan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:21 pm
PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:02 pm Importantly, there were also a bunch of guys from mainland southern Italy with ties to the "mafias" in those regions in Chicago during the same period. These organizations also intersected to some extent with Chicago LCN and with each other (I think it's also very much worth noting that these intersections were happening during a period where the leadership strata of these organizations back in Italy were, as recounted by pentiti like Leonardo Messina and others, coming to think of themselves as all manifestations of the same "thing").
OK now this is interesting. Like the Comorra, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, American Cosa Nostra, etc. all started thinking themselves as manifestations of some kind of Platonic ideal or whatever of "southern Italian secret criminal society", am I interpreting what you're saying correctly?
Kind of reminds me of what happened with Luciano and the group in the early 30's with the formation of the commission. No more disparate sects. We are all "italian".
It's interesting because "Italian" is more or less an artificial imposition of 19th century nationalists, but those kind of hard political impositions can in turn cause very real, "organic" things to change their folkways etc. to be consistent with the imposition and thereby reify it.
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Ivan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:21 pm
PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:02 pm Importantly, there were also a bunch of guys from mainland southern Italy with ties to the "mafias" in those regions in Chicago during the same period. These organizations also intersected to some extent with Chicago LCN and with each other (I think it's also very much worth noting that these intersections were happening during a period where the leadership strata of these organizations back in Italy were, as recounted by pentiti like Leonardo Messina and others, coming to think of themselves as all manifestations of the same "thing").
OK now this is interesting. Like the Comorra, Sicilian Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, American Cosa Nostra, etc. all started thinking themselves as manifestations of some kind of Platonic ideal or whatever of "southern Italian secret criminal society", am I interpreting what you're saying correctly?
It's more than I can get into now, but we've discussed this a bit on the board previously in relation to statements given to the authorities by pentiti Leonardo Messina and Gioacchino Pennino (as B and I have discussed also, Pennino was himself the nephew of Chicago boss Totó LoVerde). It wasn't just Platonic (though there is at least some deeper background to this, in that -- despite their significant differences as organizations and subcultures -- all historically saw themselves as "Honored Societies"), but rather the organizational coordination of the other "mafias" in the 1970s/80s under the aegis of Cosa Nostra and with close collaboration with elements of the state and the P2 renegade Masonic lodge.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:15 pm It's more than I can get into now, but we've discussed this a bit on the board previously in relation to statements given to the authorities by pentiti Leonardo Messina and Gioacchino Pennino (as B and I have discussed also, Pennino was himself the nephew of Chicago boss Totó LoVerde). It wasn't just Platonic (though there is at least some deeper background to this, in that -- despite their significant differences as organizations and subcultures -- all historically saw themselves as "Honored Societies"), but rather the organizational coordination of the other "mafias" in the 1970s/80s under the aegis of Cosa Nostra and with close collaboration with elements of the state and the P2 renegade Masonic lodge.
Cool shit and thanks for the leads. Don't worry about typing out a full answer if you're busy, I'll just look into it from the leads provided. 8-)

The P2 thing is actually referenced briefly in Godfather III, with Vincent Corleone talking about Lucchesi (the third film's Barzini/Roth-figure final-boss villain, this time an Italian politician) having ties to it.

This "Godfather Wiki" thing has a bit about all that in the "behind the scenes" section of its entry for Lucchesi:

https://godfather.fandom.com/wiki/Licio ... the_scenes
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