Chicago circa 1980 power

[JeremyTheJew]

The old arguments on the board use to be who was more powerful NYC or Chicago

This was during the family secrets time so that had a lot to do with it

But I'm wondering about Chicagos power in the 1980s

This is after Accardo years and inna way begining of the decline of membership in Chicago

Was Chicago a powerhouse in the 80s still??? When did the whole "West of Mississippi is ours" decline

[Snakes]

At it's peak in the 50s and 60s, probably only Genovese and Gambinos stronger on a national level, possibly just the Genovese. Due to imprisonments, attrition, and the destruction of their political hold on the city via the First Ward, their power waned dramatically from the 80s into the early 90s from a national one to a regional one to a local one.

[Rat]

How big of impact did the decline of the other midwest families have on the Outfit?

[JeremyTheJew]

How big of impact did the decline of the other midwest families have on the Outfit?

And vice versa -

With Chicago in decline - things like "Tulsa King" series seems plausible

Can we tie the decline to a certain boss?? I know DiFronzo wasn't fond of making people but I believe Chicago was already in decline by his fake over

After Accardo Chicago is almost like the Genovese with front bosses , real bosses , consiglere position almost just as strong etc etc

What families WEST were even still active that would be in communication with Chicago after let's say 1990s??? Probably little to none but it looks like Chicago doesn't care

[Wiseguy]

How big of impact did the decline of the other midwest families have on the Outfit?

And vice versa -

With Chicago in decline - things like "Tulsa King" series seems plausible

Can we tie the decline to a certain boss?? I know DiFronzo wasn't fond of making people but I believe Chicago was already in decline by his fake over

After Accardo Chicago is almost like the Genovese with front bosses , real bosses , consiglere position almost just as strong etc etc

What families WEST were even still active that would be in communication with Chicago after let's say 1990s??? Probably little to none but it looks like Chicago doesn't care

I recall reading one article from the early 1990s that listed the families the FBI was preparing to "cross off" and every family west of Chicago was on it. Well, except for Dallas but that was only because it had been crossed off long before. During the 1980s and 1990s, the Outfit had enough just looking after its own issues anyway.

[Snakes]

How big of impact did the decline of the other midwest families have on the Outfit?

And vice versa -

With Chicago in decline - things like "Tulsa King" series seems plausible

Can we tie the decline to a certain boss?? I know DiFronzo wasn't fond of making people but I believe Chicago was already in decline by his fake over

After Accardo Chicago is almost like the Genovese with front bosses , real bosses , consiglere position almost just as strong etc etc

What families WEST were even still active that would be in communication with Chicago after let's say 1990s??? Probably little to none but it looks like Chicago doesn't care

I don't think you can point the finger at anyone in particular. The casino skim was the beginning of the end, with the boss, underboss, and two captains going down. It was just a succession of dominos at that point. Guys were dying and being imprisoned faster than they could make them. Couple that with the fact they never made a lot of guys relative to their overall recruiting pool, and they were really hurting by the mid-90s and never recovered.

[NothingNew44]

Agreed Snakes. The combination of Greylord, Gambit,and Strawman broke The Outfit. It simply limped along after. I always felt like they unnecessarily held a lot of guys back from membership, even though they had plenty of guys who committed murder for the group and dedicated their life to the organization. The limited amount of ceremonies sort of felt shortsighted and definitely deliberate. But, then again, maybe that’s what was wanted from the top of the organization. Most guys seemingly tried to move solely into legitimate interests at the end of the 20th century.

[Snakes]

Agreed Snakes. The combination of Greylord, Gambit,and Strawman broke The Outfit. It simply limped along after. I always felt like they unnecessarily held a lot of guys back from membership, even though they had plenty of guys who committed murder for the group and dedicated their life to the organization. The limited amount of ceremonies sort of felt shortsighted and definitely deliberate. But, then again, maybe that’s what was wanted from the top of the organization. Most guys seemingly tried to move solely into legitimate interests at the end of the 20th century.

I think they could afford to be more selective even into the 80s, but I also don't think they could have predicted how hard the FBI hit the families in the late 80s and early 90s, otherwise they may have opened the books up more often.

[NothingNew44]

Snakes, How much did neighborhood demographic shifts impact membership in that period?

[Snakes]

Snakes, How much did neighborhood demographic shifts impact membership in that period?

Tony can answer that much better than I could