scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:17 am
we should keep in mind that Riina didn't do all this shit by his own, the massacres of judges Falcone and Borsellino for example were ordered by other entithies, Berlusconi, Dell'Utri, the freemasons and the secret services
Good point. Considering how loved Falcone was, perhaps he was seen as a serious threat politically down the road
yes, what the Corleonesi did in the 80s and 90s cannot be limited to the Sicilian mafia alone, it was a wide-ranging plan that also involved politics
To do....WHAT? What was the point? They did ALL THAT just to kill Falcone?
Was it the plan of the brainyrust of the Masonry to WEAKEN the Mafia? Because that seemed to be the net result.
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:17 am
we should keep in mind that Riina didn't do all this shit by his own, the massacres of judges Falcone and Borsellino for example were ordered by other entithies, Berlusconi, Dell'Utri, the freemasons and the secret services
Good point. Considering how loved Falcone was, perhaps he was seen as a serious threat politically down the road
yes, what the Corleonesi did in the 80s and 90s cannot be limited to the Sicilian mafia alone, it was a wide-ranging plan that also involved politics
To do....WHAT? What was the point? They did ALL THAT just to kill Falcone?
Was it the plan of the brainyrust of the Masonry to WEAKEN the Mafia? Because that seemed to be the net result.
What was the endgame?
the endgame is a political plan that would have led to Berlusconi's victory, in fact Berlusconi and Dell'Utri are implicated in the trials of the massacres, the goal of the Freemasons was not to weaken the mafia, but to make Berlusconi win...
if Falcone and Borsellino were still alive Cosa Nostra, Ndrangheta and Camorra would probably have already disappeared, I am not convinced that the mafia made a mistake in killing them
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:17 am
we should keep in mind that Riina didn't do all this shit by his own, the massacres of judges Falcone and Borsellino for example were ordered by other entithies, Berlusconi, Dell'Utri, the freemasons and the secret services
Riina just did dirty work for them, they are the real brains behind the mafia in Italy, problem is, they almost never go to prison.
Few years ago during 'Ndrangheta stragista trial Stefano Carmelo Serpa ex member of the De Stefano clan when asked about relations between Sicilian Mafia and 'Ndrangheta said: "I'm afraid, these people are very dangerous. I speak neither of the "Ndrangheta nor of politicians, but of the secret services. And before talking about the relations between 'Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra, I want serious assurances about my security. You don't know the submerged part of the 'Ndrangheta. It means that inside there are people who have even greater power than what Paolo De Stefano had. There are characters inside that at their command were worth and still worth more than him. But these are people you don't even know. They don't even have a fine."
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:17 am
we should keep in mind that Riina didn't do all this shit by his own, the massacres of judges Falcone and Borsellino for example were ordered by other entithies, Berlusconi, Dell'Utri, the freemasons and the secret services
Riina just did dirty work for them, they are the real brains behind the mafia in Italy, problem is, they almost never go to prison.
Few years ago during 'Ndrangheta stragista trial Stefano Carmelo Serpa ex member of the De Stefano clan when asked about relations between Sicilian Mafia and 'Ndrangheta said: "I'm afraid, these people are very dangerous. I speak neither of the "Ndrangheta nor of politicians, but of the secret services. And before talking about the relations between 'Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra, I want serious assurances about my security. You don't know the submerged part of the 'Ndrangheta. It means that inside there are people who have even greater power than what Paolo De Stefano had. There are characters inside that at their command were worth and still worth more than him. But these are people you don't even know. They don't even have a fine."
I think that Riina couldn't refuse to do those things because the consequences would have been worse for Cosa Nostra, but also for the other mafias
- falcone and borsellino murder + terroristic campaign has hidden agenda from services
- in one side achieved political aims
- in other side created a situation to control the mafia, change from criminal file to security file
- the services will not completely destroy the mafia, they never destroy something they can use later
- but the mafia, adter 1963 and especially under corleonesi, became exclusively a criminal phenomenon so only highly criminals want to join
- this will eventually kill it
- giovanni falcone say many times, the mafia is a human phenomenon, has a beginning, will have an end. is not invincible.
stubbs wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:39 am
I would also recommend reading Excellent Cadavers if you want a good history of Riina and the mafia wars of that era.
The Sicilians really had a beautiful thing with their heroin pipelines and all of the systemic corruption in Italy. Riina fucked it all up and now they’re super weak, especially compared to the Calabrians.
This books so fucking great! Am reading it atm and can’t put it down.
I’ve read most books there is on the Sicilian mafia but Excellent Cadavers was better than Falcones book in terms of the info on all the bullshit he had to put up with
