CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:49 amGood point. But one has to ask about the viability of that type of extortion in 2023.
I mean hell, they might be better off doing it anonymous like the Black Hand if they are just going to run into the Feds. For FOUR grand...
Keep in mind that that extortion of $4k is just an example of that which made it into the indictment. When these guys are engaging in their bread and butter rackets, which include extortion in the construction, demolition and trucking industries, not every extortion (or the money involved) is going to end up in an eventual indictment. We also have to remember that, if they wanted to do business on the up and up and not resort to thuggish tactics when necessary, they probably wouldn't be in the mob to begin with.
You make a good point. I gotta read through this thing. I was thinking they extorted some wealthy restaurateur or Maybe a small retailer.
Construction and Carting people might just chalk it up to the cost of doing business. But I think thats where
something like extortion is more effective. When the business owner doesn't really complain, they just jack up their prices on whatever....
Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:34 am
A Sicilian Mafia member but also an associate? I wonder what’s going on with that? He’s a member over in Italy but he’s an associate here? Is he trying to become a made guy with the Gambino’s? I know the Gambino’s have Sicilian ties but I haven’t heard of something like this before
This was a major running issue in the Sixth Family book.
Reading about the money involved in this indictment surprises me but then again, as Jerry said, the demise of the mob has been greatly exaggerated.
Pennisi mentioned that members being drunk and behaving foolishly can lead to them being shelved so it seems as if Lanni is in trouble. The associate had to literally stop him from burning the place down...
One other interesting thing about this case are the references to shell companies controlled by these guys, Lanni and LaForte, and way LaForte kicked up money to Lanni from the Par scams through shadow using the shells/LLCs and chalking the payments up to loans/consulting. That Frank Camuso case alleged similar stuff, Camuso, Astuto and Baselice all had similar companies.
The reporting from feds on Mileta M., and Mannino, Filipelli, said that Mileta was sending money to Gambinos the same way, shell companies/LLCs … this must be very common now for a lot of these guys. Makes the money appear legitimate and put it on govt to prove otherwise
TSNYC wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:18 am
One other interesting thing about this case are the references to shell companies controlled by these guys, Lanni and LaForte, and way LaForte kicked up money to Lanni from the Par scams through shadow using the shells/LLCs and chalking the payments up to loans/consulting. That Frank Camuso case alleged similar stuff, Camuso, Astuto and Baselice all had similar companies.
The reporting from feds on Mileta M., and Mannino, Filipelli, said that Mileta was sending money to Gambinos the same way, shell companies/LLCs … this must be very common now for a lot of these guys. Makes the money appear legitimate and put it on govt to prove otherwise
You got it exactly. Been that way for some time now.
Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:39 am
Reading about the money involved in this indictment surprises me but then again, as Jerry said, the demise of the mob has been greatly exaggerated.
The $3.9 million dollars in discount thing really stuck out at me -- not only is that a huge amount of money, it's really subtle in that it's in the form of discounts on services. No one is going to notice that the way they'd notice a $3.9 million armored truck robbery.
Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:39 am
Reading about the money involved in this indictment surprises me but then again, as Jerry said, the demise of the mob has been greatly exaggerated.
The $3.9 million dollars in discount thing really stuck out at me -- not only is that a huge amount of money, it's really subtle in that it's in the form of discounts on services. No one is going to notice that the way they'd notice a $3.9 million armored truck robbery.
The way of transferring money through shell companies also stands out.Lanni seems to have been receiving vast amounts of money.This is the first indictment we have received since Villani’s gambling bust which was over a year ago.The other 2 indictments before this were also gambling busts if I remember correctly.
Nice to see a larger case, I’ve been waiting
Last August, Giovan Battista Badalamenti revealed about his brother Martino to John Jack D'Amico , regent of the Gambino family until 2008: "No, in the evening he even goes to sleep inside ", updating D'Amico on his brother's state of imprisonment .
OcSleeper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:51 am
Here is the axis between the Sicilian clans and the Gambinos again: 17 arrested between Palermo and New York. Messina Denaro also appears in the interceptions https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/1 ... o/7347026/
Last August, Giovan Battista Badalamenti revealed about his brother Martino to John Jack D'Amico , regent of the Gambino family until 2008: "No, in the evening he even goes to sleep inside ", updating D'Amico on his brother's state of imprisonment .
Thanks for sharing. Looks like D'Amico is still active in his mid 80s and still tight with the Sicilian faction.
Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:39 am
Reading about the money involved in this indictment surprises me but then again, as Jerry said, the demise of the mob has been greatly exaggerated.
The $3.9 million dollars in discount thing really stuck out at me -- not only is that a huge amount of money, it's really subtle in that it's in the form of discounts on services. No one is going to notice that the way they'd notice a $3.9 million armored truck robbery.
The way of transferring money through shell companies also stands out.Lanni seems to have been receiving vast amounts of money.This is the first indictment we have received since Villani’s gambling bust which was over a year ago.The other 2 indictments before this were also gambling busts if I remember correctly.
Nice to see a larger case, I’ve been waiting
Yeah, also the discounts as far as I know (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't even count as income so there's no tax issues and "nothing to hide". Pretty slick.
These are the three big things that stand out to me:
1) The large amounts of money and the financial sophistication
2) The violence
3) The youth of almost everyone involved (30s to 50s, these guys are practically just kids by 21st century American mafia standards)
This was a serious operation. Or so it looks to me, at least. Of course Lanni's retard explosion at the restaurant kind of ruins the effect.
I haven't got the investigation papers yet. Anyway GiovanBattista Badalamenti was already under my radar. He was involved in narcotics trafficking in the Usa already in the 80s. He has also got another brother in the Usa, Salvatore
