Rico

[Sol]

How ironic, Rudy Giuliani catching a Rico case......Sol

[Stroccos]

How ironic, Rudy Giuliani catching a Rico case......Sol

Lmao very ironic

[furiofromnaples]

Giuliani should be the first italian US president but ended as Trump lawyer.

[TallGuy19]

Giuliani should be the first italian US president but ended as Trump lawyer.

The guy has been a creep and a degenerate his whole life. He got a pass for a long time because of the work he did as a U.S. attorney and because he was mayor on 9/11. His time as Donnie's lawyer just exposed him for who he really is—which would have come out anyway if he ever ran for president.

[Sullycantwell]

The real crime is him calling Gigante “the number 8” in the Genovese family lol

[dack2001]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

[sdeitche]

Thoughts and prayers

[TallGuy19]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

How likely did you think it is that Donnie will beat all the cases against him?

[Wiseguy]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

How likely did you think it is that Donnie will beat all the cases against him?

The first three cases are a weak and shouldn't have even been brought. That said, the fact the first one is out of Manhattan and the third one is out of Washington DC, doesn't help Trump when it comes to potential juries there. Relatively speaking, there may be more to the Georgia accusations (even though the same things were done by Gore in Florida in 2000) but that's not saying much and a state-level RICO is pure theater.

But that's really what this is about. Regardless of what one thinks of Trump, if they're objective, take a step back, and look at the whole picture - and I'm talking from the day he announced he was running for President up until today - we've never seen the forces of the government and media marshalled so fully against one person. You would never see any other former President have their house raided for any reason. Much less four separate indictments against a former president who is the leading candidate against the current president.

That's what has actually gotten Trump much of his support. Not that some people even particularly like Trump or necessarily want him back in the White House (even though he was lightyears better than the current guy), but they see the the hypocrisy, corruption, and double standards on the part of those mentioned above.

[Amershire_Ed]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

How likely did you think it is that Donnie will beat all the cases against him?

Relatively speaking, there may be more to the Georgia accusations (even though the same things were done by Gore in Florida in 2000) but that's not saying much and a state-level RICO is pure theater.

I’m sorry but this is absurd. There’s several enormous differences between the Gore and Trump situations. First, Trump claims that voting machines were changing Trump votes to Biden, of which there is zero evidence. Voting is public record. You can look up who someone voted for. There’s not anyone coming forward with evidence that they voted for Trump, but the records show they voted for Biden. The Gore situation was the state of Florida having faulty punchcard ballots in which thousands of voters voted for a candidate they didn’t intend to vote for. That’s where the “hanging chad” term came into the public’s conscious. The legal strategy for the GOP (that ended up working) was that it didn’t matter who they intended to vote for, all that matters is what the punchcard says. Bush ended up winning the state of Florida by 41 votes.

Not only that, after they lost their legal cases, Gore certified the election results! He didn’t parade around for months saying “oh yeah I actually won that, Bush is a fake president”. As the role of Vice President requires, he did exactly what Mike Pence did on January 6—which is why all the Trumpsters hate Pence now. He gave credence and legitimacy to the results of the election by certifying them. He literally did the opposite of what Trump did.

[Wiseguy]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

How likely did you think it is that Donnie will beat all the cases against him?

Relatively speaking, there may be more to the Georgia accusations (even though the same things were done by Gore in Florida in 2000) but that's not saying much and a state-level RICO is pure theater.

I’m sorry but this is absurd. There’s several enormous differences between the Gore and Trump situations. First, Trump claims that voting machines were changing Trump votes to Biden, of which there is zero evidence. Voting is public record. You can look up who someone voted for. There’s not anyone coming forward with evidence that they voted for Trump, but the records show they voted for Biden. The Gore situation was the state of Florida having faulty punchcard ballots in which thousands of voters voted for a candidate they didn’t intend to vote for. That’s where the “hanging chad” term came into the public’s conscious. The legal strategy for the GOP (that ended up working) was that it didn’t matter who they intended to vote for, all that matters is what the punchcard says. Bush ended up winning the state of Florida by 41 votes.

Not only that, after they lost their legal cases, Gore certified the election results! He didn’t parade around for months saying “oh yeah I actually won that, Bush is a fake president”. As the role of Vice President requires, he did exactly what Mike Pence did on January 6—which is why all the Trumpsters hate Pence now. He gave credence and legitimacy to the results of the election by certifying them. He literally did the opposite of what Trump did.

Point taken on the "hanging chad," which goes to my contention that - with few exceptions - we should have single day voting, in person, with paper punch card ballots. The voting fraud concerns don't come so much from manipulation of the machines themselves as much as ballot harvesting or suppression, "soft interference" by the media, etc.

And like him or hate him, Trump has every right to say he doesn't believe the results. Considering he was drawing stadium-sized crowds while Biden couldn't draw 10 people to his, it's understandable. Several Democrats claimed from the start Trump was an illegitimate president. But as we've seen, it's a completely different standard applied to Trump.

[Adam]

The law was overbroad as applied by Giuliani. He built his career by ignoring the facts and using the law to convict. Height of irony that he's been indicted. Hope he gets convicted and Trump is acquitted. Would be a fitting end for Giuliani's career.

How likely did you think it is that Donnie will beat all the cases against him?

Relatively speaking, there may be more to the Georgia accusations (even though the same things were done by Gore in Florida in 2000) but that's not saying much and a state-level RICO is pure theater.

I’m sorry but this is absurd. There’s several enormous differences between the Gore and Trump situations. First, Trump claims that voting machines were changing Trump votes to Biden, of which there is zero evidence. Voting is public record. You can look up who someone voted for. There’s not anyone coming forward with evidence that they voted for Trump, but the records show they voted for Biden. The Gore situation was the state of Florida having faulty punchcard ballots in which thousands of voters voted for a candidate they didn’t intend to vote for. That’s where the “hanging chad” term came into the public’s conscious. The legal strategy for the GOP (that ended up working) was that it didn’t matter who they intended to vote for, all that matters is what the punchcard says. Bush ended up winning the state of Florida by 41 votes.

Not only that, after they lost their legal cases, Gore certified the election results! He didn’t parade around for months saying “oh yeah I actually won that, Bush is a fake president”. As the role of Vice President requires, he did exactly what Mike Pence did on January 6—which is why all the Trumpsters hate Pence now. He gave credence and legitimacy to the results of the election by certifying them. He literally did the opposite of what Trump did.

Point taken on the "hanging chad," which goes to my contention that - with few exceptions - we should have single day voting, in person, with paper punch card ballots. The voting fraud concerns don't come so much from manipulation of the machines themselves as much as ballot harvesting or suppression, "soft interference" by the media, etc.

And like him or hate him, Trump has every right to say he doesn't believe the results. Considering he was drawing stadium-sized crowds while Biden couldn't draw 10 people to his, it's understandable. Several Democrats claimed from the start Trump was an illegitimate president. But as we've seen, it's a completely different standard applied to Trump.

In both the Georgia case and the January 6th case both prosecuting attorneys have said Trump has the right to say he doesn't believe the results. Perfectly free to say whatever he wants. What he's not allowed to do is create fake electors and attempt to have them disrupt the legal certification process. What he can't do is have his operatives illegally access voter information and machines that they have no legal access to. What he cNt do is sign documents saying there were specific acts of fraud that didn't exist. What he can't do is falsely accuse election workers of sneaking ballots into a polling station(who then receive countless death threats) and have his supporters go to them and try to persuade them to lie and change their story to say they did commit election fraud. What he cant do is try to stop the legal certification process. This goes on and on and on. Read the 169 overt and predicate acts. There's a difference between Gore and Trump.

[Pogo The Clown]

Unless of course there was massive fraud in the 2020 election.


Pogo

[Ivan]

really should be in the politics forum, Giuliani thing notwithstanding

[TallGuy19]

This all sounds like a win for democracy and the rule of law to me. The most corrupt politician in the history of this country along with his co-conspirators in an attempted coup are under indictment. Hunter Biden has pled guilty to multiple crimes, and he and his dad are still under investigation. I hope this is the beginning of a new era where we actually prosecute criminal politicians.