What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Discuss all mafia families in the U.S., Canada, Italy, and everywhere else in the world.

Moderator: Capos

JoelTurner
Full Patched
Posts: 1024
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:09 pm

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JoelTurner »

sdeitche wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:01 am
JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:46 am
Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.

Vaglica was eating french fries when they got him. Didn't even let him finish!
That’s tough, why did they kill him?
User avatar
sdeitche
Sergeant Of Arms
Posts: 818
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:15 pm
Contact:

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by sdeitche »

JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:58 pm
sdeitche wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:01 am
JoelTurner wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:46 am
Tonyd621 wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:55 am I know that all the people that were there are no longer living.
That meeting was like opening King Tut’s tomb.

Mangano, Vaglica, San Filippo, Tilocco, Palazzolo, Alo, LoLordo, Giunta, and Cammarata were all killed.

Vaglica was eating french fries when they got him. Didn't even let him finish!
That’s tough, why did they kill him?
He was likely caught up in the 'war' between Charlie Wall and the Mafia for control of the bolita rackets. Murder was unsolved.
B.
Men Of Mayhem
Posts: 10692
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:18 pm
Contact:

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by B. »

What kind of fries are we talking about? Crinkle-cut?
User avatar
sdeitche
Sergeant Of Arms
Posts: 818
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:15 pm
Contact:

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by sdeitche »

B. wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:14 pm What kind of fries are we talking about? Crinkle-cut?
Thinking more like steak fries. "Fried potatoes" was the description.
User avatar
sdeitche
Sergeant Of Arms
Posts: 818
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:15 pm
Contact:

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by sdeitche »

Image
User avatar
Stroccos
Full Patched
Posts: 3548
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:23 am

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by Stroccos »

sdeitche wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:27 pm Image
Any idea if Ignazio Italiano was related to Vincent mangano?
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
User avatar
Stroccos
Full Patched
Posts: 3548
Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:23 am

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by Stroccos »

B. wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:20 pm Since Scacco/Sacco was a Camporealese involved with Cleveland I'm curious where he fits in. We tend to think of the Cleveland war as Licatese vs. Licatese (which isn't wrong) but there was more going on with the key players' backgrounds.

D'Aquila faction leaders:
Joseph Lonardo - Licata, Agrigento
Lorenzo Lupo - Vallelunga, Caltanissetta
Marco LoBosco - Casteldaccia, Palermo

Masseria faction leaders:
Porrello brothers - Licata, Agrigento
Salvatore Todaro - Licata, Agrigento (family originally from Pozzallo, Ragusa)
Dr. Giuseppe Romano - Termini Imerese, Palermo

Todaro was called "il Pozzalese" in Cleveland, so apparently they didn't see him as a true Licatese even though he grew up there. His father was from Pozzallo, not sure about the mother. Todaro also had a love child with a female Porrello relative and was baptismal gumbata with Gentile (a Masseria sympathizer himself). Gentile said he knew both Lonardo and Todaro when they were kids in Agrigento.

Note I'm not sure where Romano fit in during the Lonardo/Porrello conflict or if he was in fact a Masseria ally but the Lonardo clan survivors viewed him as an enemy a few years later as we know.

I'd expect a Camporealese to lean toward the D'Aquila side but who knows. You have the Carini guys like Scalish and Randazzo too, not sure where they fit in and Scalish was too young to be relevant at this time anyway.
Frank Milano a calabrese came out on top.

I believe Romano backed Todaro but part of Romano demise was , John demarcos brother died during a operation performed by Dr Romano . Allegedly
Frank Milano oked the murder of Romano
"if he's such A sports wizard , whys he tending bar ?" Nicky Scarfo
JoelTurner
Full Patched
Posts: 1024
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:09 pm

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JoelTurner »

sdeitche wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:27 pm Image
It's interesting that both address don't match what I found.

Ignazio Italiano - 1802 Tampania Ave, Tampa, FL - (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ST4F-HMM)

Joseph Vaglica - 1117 Cypress St, Tampa, FL - (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ST7X-VT2)
User avatar
JCB1977
Filthy Few
Posts: 5585
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:25 am

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JCB1977 »

This is the list I have from Cleveland Author Allan May

Participants at 1928 Statler Meeting

Name Age City

* Alo, Frank (1) 25 Brooklyn Murdered 1944
* Bello, Tony (2) 26 Chicago (Possible alias)
* Cammarata, Emmanuel Chicago (Possible alias)
*** DiCarlo, Sam 24 Buffalo Died
* Intrava, James 34 Chicago (Possible alias)
** Italiano, Ignatzio 72 Brooklyn (Tampa) Died 1930
* Jiunta, Giuseppe (Guinta) 31 Chicago Murdered 1929
* Lolordo, Pasquale 43 Chicago Murdered 1929
* Lombardino, Andrew 24 Newark (Possible alias)
* Lombardino, Salvatore (3) 37 Brooklyn
* Magliocco, Giuseppe 30 Brooklyn Died 1963
**** Mangano, Vincent 41 Brooklyn Disappeared 1951
* Mirabella, Giovanni 21 St. Louis Died 1955
* Olivero, Sam 33 Chicago (Possible alias)
* Palazzolo, Paul 33 Gary (Possible alias)
** Profaci, Giuseppe 32 Brooklyn Died 1962
* Russo, Mike (4) 35 Ireland, NJ (Buffalo)
* Sanfilippo, Calogeri 28 St. Louis (Possible alias)
* Scacco, Giuseppe Chicago (Possible alias)
** Tilocca, Sam 36 Brooklyn (Cleveland) Murdered 1930
**** Traina, Giuseppe 45 Brooklyn
** Vaglica, Giuseppe 54 Tampa Murdered 1937
** Valermo, Giuseppe (Palermo) 32 Brooklyn

Names and cities in parenthesis are correct

* Pled guilty, fined $50 and sentenced to 30 days in workhouse, sentence suspended
** Profaci was found not guilty at trial, the rest had the charges against them dropped
*** DiCarlo originally pled guilty then was allowed to change his plea
**** Both Mangano and Traina were released from custody before charges were filed

(1) Listed in newspapers as Francesco Agrusa, 27 of Gary, Indiana
(2) In Captive City: Chicago in Chains author Ovid Demaris identifies “Tony Bello” as an alias of Philip Bacino. He writes, “Seized in Mafia meeting in Cleveland, 1928, gave name as Tony Bello, was not identified until 34 years later.”
(3) Salvatore Lombardino was extradited to New Jersey on murder charges
(4) There is no Ireland, New Jersey. Original articles claimed Russo was from Buffalo.
Mike Tona believes this is the same Mike Russo whose brother, Salvatore, was
murdered in Cleveland in January 1920.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."

-Pauly Walnuts, RIP
User avatar
PolackTony
Filthy Few
Posts: 5825
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 10:54 am
Location: NYC/Chicago

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by PolackTony »

Bello was definitely Bacino.

Cammarata was not an alias. He was Profaci’s cousin and a member of that Family with close ties to Chicago.

“Olivero” and Palazzolo weren’t aliases either, just anglicized versions of their names: Salvatore “Sam” Oliveri (Corleone/Chicago, then moved to the Bronx and later Rockford); Paolo “Big Paul” Palazzolo (Cìnisi/Gary; probably boss of the Gary Family).

Worth noting also that Oliveri (likely a Chicago member who transferred first to the Luccheses and then Rockford) was a relative of NOLA boss Sam Trombatore and also related by marriage to Gaetano Reina.

viewtopic.php?p=240733#p240733
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
JoelTurner
Full Patched
Posts: 1024
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:09 pm

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JoelTurner »

Mike Russo didn’t live in Ireland, NJ; he lived in Iselin, Woodbridge Township, NJ.

I don’t know if he was ever in Buffalo, he bounced around a lot notably living in Pittsburgh, PA when he was arrested during the John Bazzano affair in 1932
User avatar
JCB1977
Filthy Few
Posts: 5585
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:25 am

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JCB1977 »

JoelTurner wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:39 pm Mike Russo didn’t live in Ireland, NJ; he lived in Iselin, Woodbridge Township, NJ.

I don’t know if he was ever in Buffalo, he bounced around a lot notably living in Pittsburgh, PA when he was arrested during the John Bazzano affair in 1932
Misspell
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."

-Pauly Walnuts, RIP
JoelTurner
Full Patched
Posts: 1024
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:09 pm

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by JoelTurner »

Frank Alo aka Frank Agrusa/Frank Abbate was at this meeting with another Gary, IN resident: Paul Palazzolo.

This wasn’t the first time that he was with a “Palazzolo”. In 1926, he was shot in St Louis, MO alongside boss Alphonse Palazzolo and “Adamo Girolamo”

Image

Both of these men were from Cinsi, Palermo, Sicily. They weren’t siblings, but was there a connection/relation?

Also, could this “Adamo Girolamo” have been future LA figure Girolamo “Momo” Adamo? Other articles report him being 30 years old, meaning he was born in ~1896; Momo Adamo was born in 1895.
User avatar
PolackTony
Filthy Few
Posts: 5825
Joined: Thu May 28, 2020 10:54 am
Location: NYC/Chicago

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by PolackTony »

JoelTurner wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:16 pm Frank Alo aka Frank Agrusa/Frank Abbate was at this meeting with another Gary, IN resident: Paul Palazzolo.

This wasn’t the first time that he was with a “Palazzolo”. In 1926, he was shot in St Louis, MO alongside boss Alphonse Palazzolo and “Adamo Girolamo”

Both of these men were from Cinsi, Palermo, Sicily. They weren’t siblings, but was there a connection/relation?

Also, could this “Adamo Girolamo” have been future LA figure Girolamo “Momo” Adamo? Other articles report him being 30 years old, meaning he was born in ~1896; Momo Adamo was born in 1895.
The "club" where the shooting occured was the Società Santa Fara di Cinisi, a Cinisese mutual aid/paesani organization (there remain extant Santa Fara societies in Chicago, Brooklyn, and Detroit today). I was never able to definitively link Paolo and Alfonso Palazzolo. Palazzolo is an extremely common surname in Cinisi, so the two could have been cousins or something, but also just could have been paesani. They almost certainly knew each other, either way. Paolo lived in STL for a period before moving to Gary, and his brother Benedetto Palazzolo and other relatives remained in STL. In turn, I believe that Alfonso Palazzolo lived in Hammond, IL, a town near Gary in Lake County, IN, directly on the IL border with the city of Chicago (Hammond had a long history of mafia activity also). In 1917, a WW1 draft registration card was filed by an Alfonso Palazzolo, who was living and working in Hammond in a steel plant at the time. He gave his birthdate as 1893/03/08 in Cisnisi, while Alfonso Palazzolo later gave his birthdate as 1894/05/08. As these kinds of discrepancies in dates between documents were common for Italian immigrants back then (his actual birthdate per records in Cinisi was 1893/05/14), and no other Alfonso Palazzolo born around that time in Cinisi seems to have immigrated to the US, it is pretty clearly the same guy. He was living in STL by 1923, at the very latest, whereas Paolo Palazzolo was in Gary as early as 1922, and perhaps already by 1919.

Good catch on the Girolamo Adamo in the 1926 shooting with Palazzolo and Agrusa/Abbate. I wasn't aware of this, but I do think it could very well be Momo Adamo. In 1924, Adamo filed his naturalization declaration in Brooklyn (he was living at the time on Utica Ave in Crown Heights), but in 1927 he filed his petition for naturalization in Springfield, where he stated he was living at the time. This would put him in the orbit of STL in regional/mafia terms and Springfield had other connections to mafiosi from Cinisi (the Impastatos and Manzellas), which is likely relevant given this case. While Adamo wasn't Cinisese himself, but rather from Alcamo, the two towns are not far from each other and mafiosi from both figured together in the Detroit outfit.

If you're interested, there's a lot more here on Paolo Palazzolo (as well as both other Gary guys and other Cinisesi in the Chicago-area mob):
https://theblackhand.club/forum/viewtop ... 00#p238200
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
User avatar
Antiliar
Full Patched
Posts: 4368
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:08 pm
Contact:

Re: What do we Know about the 1928 Cleveland Meeting?

Post by Antiliar »

JoelTurner wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:16 pm Frank Alo aka Frank Agrusa/Frank Abbate was at this meeting with another Gary, IN resident: Paul Palazzolo.

This wasn’t the first time that he was with a “Palazzolo”. In 1926, he was shot in St Louis, MO alongside boss Alphonse Palazzolo and “Adamo Girolamo”

Image

Both of these men were from Cinsi, Palermo, Sicily. They weren’t siblings, but was there a connection/relation?

Also, could this “Adamo Girolamo” have been future LA figure Girolamo “Momo” Adamo? Other articles report him being 30 years old, meaning he was born in ~1896; Momo Adamo was born in 1895.
Yes, same Momo Adamo.
Post Reply