Gravanos failed partnership with Carlos lehder

[Lutty12]

Found a great article on https://www.copvcia.com/free/ciadrugs/part_1.html which briefly mentions Sammy. Again the government are cowards for sending Gotti go for life and leaving Gravano to continue selling drugs to kids.


"While in the Unit, Lehder developed new drug smuggling plans for after his release. He talked of a new frontier in the former republics of the Soviet Union. He and [convicted Gambino crime family Capo Sammy the Bull] Gravano talked of forming a partnership in a new cartel using money given to them by our government. They asked me to join them and I turned them down.'

[dreww]

Sammy Gravano is in the running for the most full of shit rat on YouTube/podcasts. He put himself out there too much. All the mystery and legend associated with him is eroding away the more bullshit content he puts out there (although some is good, especially his podcast episodes).

[Antiliar]

That information came from a St. Louis drug dealer in the Witness Protection Program named George Taylor. When he testified before the Senate a lot of senators didn't believe his testimony. Joe Biden, for what it's worth, was one of them. He also contributed to an article about how protected witnesses lie. So maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Perhaps Sammy will address it on his YouTube channel.

Regarding your main point, prosecutors regularly make deals with criminals to go after the kingpin. There's nothing unique about Gravano in this. The government's goal was to put Gotti in prison, and getting Gravano to testify against him was part of the plan, and it worked. Doesn't seem cowardly to me. Maybe the deal with Gravano was too generous. That I can get. Even with a less generous deal, I don't know if that would have prevented Gravano from selling drugs.

[Nick Prango]

Sammy Gravano is in the running for the most full of shit rat on YouTube/podcasts. He put himself out there too much. All the mystery and legend associated with him is eroding away the more bullshit content he puts out there (although some is good, especially his podcast episodes).

Agreed. Sammy seems a desire to be the most honorable, most “cosa nostra” of them all. He craves to be respected/liked and to be seen as tough. The guy who always did things the right way, even when killing he killed honorably, even when ratting he ratted honorably. Was buddies with the FBI agents, the blacks, the aryans, the Irish, got along with everyone. He is full of shit.

[Dave65827]

I found it fascinating that he was so pissed off about Joe Massino become a rat and the thing about vitale taking a cop test

Like you mad at other people for doing what you did ? Lol

[Pmac2]

Mike scars and rj putting out the best youtube mob shit by far. It's actual really good. Scars says he doing it to clear up all the lies Sammy's be floating. How Sammy's rewriting mob history. Scars is actually very believe and always goes back to I'm a rat and it hurt my soul to flip. He's great at this shit. I watch the free hour clips they put out to youtube after a few weeks on there patreon. It good stuff. This week's there reviewing a trip of the Gambino family to foxwoods in 1994 its good stuff

[Browniety86]

Mike scars and rj putting out the best youtube mob shit by far. It's actual really good. Scars says he doing it to clear up all the lies Sammy's be floating. How Sammy's rewriting mob history. Scars is actually very believe and always goes back to I'm a rat and it hurt my soul to flip. He's great at this shit. I watch the free hour clips they put out to youtube after a few weeks on there patreon. It good stuff. This week's there reviewing a trip of the Gambino family to foxwoods in 1994 its good stuff

I just watched that video last night Pmac...it was excellent...loved how he said the narrative of Junior Gotti not being liked by the old timers wasnt accurate...Said people like Louie Bracciole really liked Junior...I found it interesting how he kept close to Jojo's lawyer son in the casino to make the meeting seem legit

[newera_212]

Gravano is deplorable, but the "they let him sell drugs to kids" thing is a little disingenuous, and is getting a little old. In the late 90s and early 2000s the rave scene and pressed ecstasy pills were fucking huge all over the country. His son was of age to be 'around' those type of scenes and got involved. Sammy, not wanting his son to get jerked around, but also seeing the potential and wanting to get in on the action and scale that action bigger like he was used to doing with everything - wedged himself into the business and commandeered his kid's friends. He fancies himself a leader so he'd be the type to find people to boss around no matter what he was doing.

He was bored and saw the potential for easy money. That's it. He wasn't historically a big drug dealer, and there wasn't a governmental conspiracy or coverup for a big master plan that had Sammy "going free so he could sell drugs to kids"

On top of that - kids going to parties and taking E pills back then knew exactly what they were doing. I'm not making excuses for Sammy but every time it's mentioned, it's framed as if him and Gerard were prowling the parks and schoolyards handing out drugs (a drug that isn't physically or really mentally addictive, either) to young children to rope them in.

He sold some ecstasy, got caught, and went to Florence Admax over it.

With that said - again - not making excuses for Sammy. I find him to be a degenerate, and more insufferable and gross with each story. When I read Underboss back in the day I got the exact opposite impression of him. Sounded like a class act when Underboss came out way back in the day. Now that he's out there speaking, I feel much differently.

[CornerBoy]

Gerard was selling that shit in shaolin in the 90's