Gangland 3/23/2023

[SonnyBlackstein]

I don't think it's even about Capeci writing about it or not. The government is being taken to task by the judge for letting Mancuso plead to a lesser charge than what was in the original report. If he was meeting with all these additional people, and plotting to kill people no less, why would the government torture themselves when they could easily get him thrown back in jail - especially if they're supposedly already aware of it.

That's what I can't get past. There is no logic to the government letting Mancuso plead to a lesser charge if all that was taking place.

Yup

[newera_212]

Genovese guys getting another sweet plea deal once again lol. Not to say the charges weren't total bullshit, but still - they pled to a conspiracy where they were giving away the pills, knew they were being resold for money, and never got any $ in return? Huh?

I didn't think they belonged behind bars for this personally, but that's just my bleeding heart bullshit talking... realistically anyone else (anyone younger, at least) would have gotten a lot more than community service for a repeat pattern of transferring opiates to a 3rd party for resale, with the legitimacy of their scripts having nothing to do with anything. "I was throwing out the ones I wasn't taking at the end of the month" - interesting... yet you were going back each month to get a new script? Why not have one script stretch out over 2-3 months then? Even drug illiterate housewives getting a script after surgery know how much those things are worth lol

It's just funny the mental gymnastics it took to come up with the plea deal here. Salute to them though

[johnny_scootch]

I don't think it's even about Capeci writing about it or not.

I agree but I think some people do.

we're only in week 9 of absolute zero corroboration from Capeci.

I admit that if Capeci hasn’t written about it by now that it’s 99% bullshit.

[SonnyBlackstein]

I don't think it's even about Capeci writing about it or not.

I agree but I think some people do.

we're only in week 9 of absolute zero corroboration from Capeci.

I admit that if Capeci hasn’t written about it by now that it’s 99% bullshit.

It s a personal call but I'll take Capeci over Burnstein.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And Scootch, as MF said, you think the G is going to let nose plead to LESSOR charges if he's waging WW3?

So the government has no idea. Capeci has no idea.

But Scott does?

Ok.

[johnny_scootch]

Using mafiastudents reasoning to possibly disprove what Scott wrote provides you with a much stronger case than saying hey capeci hasn’t written about it in 10 weeks so it’s untrue.
Either way we still don’t know for sure.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Using mafiastudents reasoning to possibly disprove what Scott wrote provides you with a much stronger case than saying hey capeci hasn’t written about it in 10 weeks so it’s untrue.
Either way we still don’t know for sure.

So the foremost writer on Italian organized crime in New York city doesn't write about a Bonanno family war for 8 weeks, and that's not strong reasoning to prove its bullshit?
Ok bud.

Either way we don't know for sure?
Yeah we do.

[johnny_scootch]

Go with that then.

Cheers

[Tonyd621]

To be fair Capeci based on his age and some of his articles he might really have no idea what's going on

[Antiliar]

So I guess the whole Mancuso/Cammarano “war” was bullshit if Capeci hasn’t written about it by now. Especially with all the Mancuso violation shit going on you would think it would
Be brought up if there was any truth to it.

It doesn't mean anything of the kind. We've been over this before and it's already been explained.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Go with that then.

Seems like it's working?

So I guess the whole Mancuso/Cammarano “war” was bullshit if Capeci hasn’t written about it by now. Especially with all the Mancuso violation shit going on you would think it would
Be brought up if there was any truth to it.

It doesn't mean anything of the kind. We've been over this before and it's already been explained.

What in God's name is wrong with writers? The aversion to legitimate criticism is pathological.

Jerry Capeci is the foremost writer on NYC LCN for the past 3 decades. And it 'doesn't mean anything of the kind?' Yeah, nine weeks in, it does!

There has been an assertion that there has been shootings, firebombings, high level meets by high level members on probation, meetings of Barney and Mannino, hit crews with shoot on site orders....


AND NONE OF IT HAS BEEN VALIDATED ANYWHERE.

So yeah, Capeci saying jack shit in 9, NINE, weeks has currency.

The Feds REDUCING charges on Mickey Nose violation, HAS CURRENCY.

No news outlet has reported a DAMN THING to corroborate this. That has currency. Facts matter. Actually nothing else does.

NINE WEEKS IN and we're still in the "it's all up in the air" stage? That sound objective gents? Flip the coin. Which side you on?

So the push back this post is getting, is fact over feelings. You like Scott, sure, that's fine. But you guys dying over zero evidence vs all the contrary, doesn't do anyone any good, except make posters nervous to push back. That a happy ending?

It's wrong guys. I said early in this piece I'd admit, happily, if I was wrong.

Where's your damn humilty?

And I respect and love both Anti and Johnny.

[SonnyBlackstein]

To be fair Capeci based on his age and some of his articles he might really have no idea what's going on

That's the same reason the feds reduced Noses violation charges.

The feds are getting old too.

[Antiliar]

What in God's name is wrong with writers? The aversion to legitimate criticism is pathological.

Jerry Capeci is the foremost writer on NYC LCN for the past 3 decades. And it 'doesn't mean anything of the kind?' Yeah, nine weeks in, it does!

There has been an assertion that there has been shootings, firebombings, high level meets by high level members on probation, meetings of Barney and Mannino, hit crews with shoot on site orders....


AND NONE OF IT HAS BEEN VALIDATED ANYWHERE.

So yeah, Capeci saying jack shit in 9, NINE, weeks has currency.

The Feds REDUCING charges on Mickey Nose violation, HAS CURRENCY.

No news outlet has reported a DAMN THING to corroborate this. That has currency. Facts matter. Actually nothing else does.

NINE WEEKS IN and we're still in the "it's all up in the air" stage? That sound objective gents? Flip the coin. Which side you on?

So the push back this post is getting, is fact over feelings. You like Scott, sure, that's fine. But you guys dying over zero evidence vs all the contrary, doesn't do anyone any good, except make posters nervous to push back. That a happy ending?

It's wrong guys. I said early in this piece I'd admit, happily, if I was wrong.

Where's your damn humilty?

And I respect and love both Anti and Johnny.

Sonny, I don't know how to get this across, but your expectations are unrealistic. You simply don't understand how it's done. This isn't an attack on you or your intelligence. The reality is that writing about contemporary events isn't as easy as it sounds. There's a lot of risk involved to both the sources and the writer. I'll address your points.

First, Jerry Capeci isn't God. He's not all-knowing. He's a human being like the rest of us. He has certain resources that are available to him and others that aren't. He's going to report things that are not only available to him, but which probably has the least amount of risk. Others have also pointed out that Capeci doesn't always write his columns and that Scott may have even written some (I don't know either way, you'd have to ask those who said these things).

Second, yes, Scott's a friend, but that's not the reason why I've been making occasional posts in this thread defending him. If you haven't noticed, I've debated Angelo, Tony and Eric on various topics where we disagree despite being friends. If I believe someone is wrong I have no problem pointing it out. So this has nothing - zero - to do with friendship.

Third, I've been doing research into organized crime for a long time and I spent months to years preparing for articles that I published, including contacting relatives of well-known mobsters as well as people in the life. Some of these active people are taking a risk by contacting me, and I have to limit what I write so I don't put their lives in danger. They could be giving me amazing information that could answer a lot of questions, but I can't reveal it without corroboration. Since we're talking about an officially "secret" organization, corroboration means another insider shares inside information with someone who is in a position to share. If a separate source contacts a reporter, that reporter will be in the same boat I'm in. Law enforcement will not share unless there's an arrest, a prosecution, or a murder. Corroboration may not be available for months, years, decades, or never.

Here's an example: Suppose three guys are talking about a crime and one of them contacts a reporter sharing all of the details. Should the reporter write a story about the conversation? There's several potential problems. First, the other two members who took part in the conversation would be able to figure out the source since there was no one else there. Second, without corroboration from arrest records, court records, or a previous article, the reporter opens himself up to being sued. Writers *have* been sued and lost. It's one thing if you've got a big organization behind you such as the New York Times or Washington Post, but if you're an independent writer with no one to pay your legal bills it makes a huge difference. Third, by publishing YOU are now part of the story and YOU can set of an unpredictable chain of events. The feds may even come after you.

Fourth, one source of corroboration is law enforcement, but they don't release most of their information. The FBI often doesn't share what it knows with local police, and police intelligence units don't share what they know with the public. Go look at some public enemy FBI files from the 1930s like John Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd, and you will still see redactions. There are documents over a hundred years old with redactions today.

Fifth, newspapers don't publish stories about everything. Go see if the Chicago Tribune published articles on the deaths of Jimmy Inendino or Nick Calabrese. The Sun-Times printed a piece on Calabrese, but not Inendino. Huge news to followers of the Chicago Outfit, but the two big newspapers had little interest in either. If you think that because a newspaper didn't have a story about something then it must not have happened, then a lot of history never happened.

Sixth, anything that Mancuso does on the street right now is IRRELEVANT to any old charges or violations he has unless he's caught and arrested and taken before a judge on the new charge. The FBI could be aware of rumors, but rumors are not evidence. Or maybe they're holding back to build a new case, which could take years.

Finally, I may or may not have my own sources who corroborate Scott's sources. I'm not saying I do and I'm not saying I don't. I can at least be confident that I believe there's at least some truth in his stories. I'm sorry if that's not enough and doesn't satisfy you, but reality isn't like a mob forum. Reality is complicated and sometimes dangerous.

[CornerBoy]

Thanks for posting.

Several posters on here were chastised for criticizing the burstein article, and this whilst stating if they were wrong they would come out and opening admit wrong and apologize.

That there is absolute silence and a distinct lack of humility from the other side is disappointing, but I guess we're only in week 9 of absolute zero corroboration from Capeci.

Maybe week 12.

i will be right like i was right about capeci saying he only uses one made guy, boy. You know nothing of what you speak. you and tommy weren't gracious enough to concede that you were wrong about that.

[Tonyd621]

To be fair Capeci based on his age and some of his articles he might really have no idea what's going on

That's the same reason the feds reduced Noses violation charges.

The feds are getting old too.

Imo it's just like other careers the labor pool lacks quality candidates. They care more about diversity and ethnic backgrounds then the quality of the individual. Not to mention the focus more Trumps taxes from the 1990s...