john gotti

[CornerBoy]

did he ever actually pull the trigger?

i bet no more than once. don't know why i think that.

Also, how involved was he in Heroin?

In the early to mid 70's, you don't think he ever moved a package?

[Guest]

did he ever actually pull the trigger?

i bet no more than once. don't know why i think that.

Also, how involved was he in Heroin?

In the early to mid 70's, you don't think he ever moved a package?

"Best I ever did was go on a few high jackings." - John Gotti

[chin_gigante]

Gotti and Joe Watts were the shooters in the Vito Borelli murder

[JeremyTheJew]

What about the guy that killed gsmbino nephew

[CornerBoy]

Gotti and Joe Watts were the shooters in the Vito Borelli murder

not doubtING YOU, but how do we know this?

Thanks dude

[chin_gigante]

Gotti and Joe Watts were the shooters in the Vito Borelli murder

not doubtING YOU, but how do we know this?

Thanks dude

Joe Massino and Sal Vitale were also on the hit team and testified about it:

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2017/12/mu ... -1980.html

[CornerBoy]

bet you anything watts did the actual shooting, while gotti styled his air in a reflection

[Wiseguy]

bet you anything watts did the actual shooting, while gotti styled his air in a reflection

Whether it's making money or putting in work, that always seemed to be the role of others who nevertheless gravitated to Gotti. Whatever else he lacked, Gotti had something that made others see him as a leader and want to follow him.

[newera_212]

bet you anything watts did the actual shooting, while gotti styled his air in a reflection

Whether it's making money or putting in work, that always seemed to be the role of others who nevertheless gravitated to Gotti. Whatever else he lacked, Gotti had something that made others see him as a leader and want to follow him.

Right - that's a good point. The whole point basically. Whatever "it" was... he had it.

It's easy sometimes to see the point of guys (in any area of life, not just "the life") who are resentful that they were doing the tough stuff and never got as much money or credit compared to others who "never did anything" - but Gotti from a young age, was able to command loyalty, respect, and admiration in some cases - from killers & money makers who followed his orders, and were still close/comfortable enough to hang out with him like regular friends.

Plenty of guys who could do those things for him actually wanted to be around him. It was more than him just being the boss and people having to follow orders from a distance, willingly or begrudgingly. He always had people close to him that he could order around for his whole life basically.

[CornerBoy]

good point wiseguy and new era. he just had that magnetism or leadership lol that made others gravitate towards him.

Horrible human being though.

I could never tell my brother not to plead out knowing it would cost him an extra 20 years in prison.

Maybe that's why I'm not a mobster or "built like that"

Imagine murdering someone b/c some asshole tells you to? or murdering someone at all unless they hurt your mother or something

[Nasabeak]

good point wiseguy and new era. he just had that magnetism or leadership lol that made others gravitate towards him.

Horrible human being though.

I could never tell my brother not to plead out knowing it would cost him an extra 20 years in prison.

Maybe that's why I'm not a mobster or "built like that"

Imagine murdering someone b/c some asshole tells you to? or murdering someone at all unless they hurt your mother or something

Trillions of soldiers throughout history that killed an enemy in combat could easily imagine murdering someone because some asshole told them to. By that I mean, rules are rules. Whatever else John Gotti was, he believed in his life. His chosen path. As much as one might believe in their marriage, or in a religion. And he was a flawed guy, and perhaps his interpretation of those rules was poor. But he made his choices, owned them, and in the end faced them by doing life in prison. Didn’t cry or complain that he was persecuted. Even on the tapes you hear him saying he might get killed tomorrow, or 100 years from now, and speaks of “when” he’ll be in jail - not if. He wasn’t gonna lay down and accept being killed, but if it happened it happened. Just like he wasn’t gonna surrender himself to the FBI and voluntarily do life, but if it was gonna happen it was gonna happen.

John had the same surety of self, the same sense of being a part of some larger story, and the same animalistic charisma that men in other fields like JFK, or Trump, or Bill Gates or whoever had - they believed ultimately in themselves and their cause. For John that cause was Cosa Nostra.