B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:04 am
Something else to remember -- the FBI is concerned first and foremost with operations. They document the organization closely but their interest is in criminal operations because they can't prosecute someone for being a mafia member or even boss without evidence of criminal activity. The Secret Service was completely focused on counterfeiting operations and organizational info in the early days was only a side note.
Wiseguy's "viability" argument is an operational POV. He dismisses organizational intelligence because his idea of a mafia Family is tied entirely to their known operations. I understand this argument up to a point but he has a tendency to flat out reject or minimize intelligence about the org if he feels the group is limited operationally. This is particularly strange with Buffalo as evidence surfaced showing that the Family is alive and engaged in organized crime activity. The evidence we have is focused on Ontario but it doesn't matter where someone lives, a member still represents his Family whether he's in Canada, Florida, or Montana. They're part of Joe Todaro's Family and the Otremens investigation showed the members there are heavily focused on organizational details and protocol not only within their own Family but with regard to others too.
I think back to the first documented Mafia crimes in the 19th century US outside of New Orleans in Philly, Chicago, NY and SF that involved Gaetano Russo. The network was already there, it didnt form to commit a crime. But crime is a good indicator of the network's presence.
We have to do a Gaetano Russo episode. He was, arguably, one of the most important Mafia pioneers of the 19th century. Places he visited in the 1860s and 70s all later on had documented Mafia Families.
Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:20 am
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
^^^^^
You're a Sicilian and I know how to read between the lines regarding manipulation and stuff. Ive seen what happened to other posters in the past because of you. Thats why some people are "scared" from your manipulation and contact me only via pms.
You brought up the subject of banning first and I made a joke of it, and within that joke it doesn't say what you think it does:
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:27 amI dont know if I have the "right" to post in this thread since im quite scared lol but.......thanks for the honest answer bud and I respect that and in fact im quite happy about it. Ill enter the minority because....."“truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion"
Thanks again bud and keep up the good work. Ill stop posting on this thread. Cheers
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
As far as these people contacting you, we both know they don't exist but let's say they do. Have them contact Sol with evidence of me abusing my mod position and Sol will drop me as a mod. Very simple.
Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:20 am
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
^^^^^
You're a Sicilian and I know how to read between the lines regarding manipulation and stuff. Ive seen what happened to other posters in the past because of you. Thats why some people are "scared" from your manipulation and contact me only via pms.
You brought up the subject of banning first and I made a joke of it, and within that joke it doesn't say what you think it does:
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:27 amI dont know if I have the "right" to post in this thread since im quite scared lol but.......thanks for the honest answer bud and I respect that and in fact im quite happy about it. Ill enter the minority because....."“truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion"
Thanks again bud and keep up the good work. Ill stop posting on this thread. Cheers
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
As far as these people contacting you, we both know they don't exist but let's say they do. Have them contact Sol with evidence of me abusing my mod position and Sol will drop me as a mod. Very simple.
No im not a snitch like you (you already know the people) but Im here personally to destroy your idea with the help of evidences and normal debates. Being a snitch and manipulator is quite bad for your blood. Shame on you.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:20 am
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
^^^^^
You're a Sicilian and I know how to read between the lines regarding manipulation and stuff. Ive seen what happened to other posters in the past because of you. Thats why some people are "scared" from your manipulation and contact me only via pms.
You brought up the subject of banning first and I made a joke of it, and within that joke it doesn't say what you think it does:
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:27 amI dont know if I have the "right" to post in this thread since im quite scared lol but.......thanks for the honest answer bud and I respect that and in fact im quite happy about it. Ill enter the minority because....."“truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion"
Thanks again bud and keep up the good work. Ill stop posting on this thread. Cheers
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
As far as these people contacting you, we both know they don't exist but let's say they do. Have them contact Sol with evidence of me abusing my mod position and Sol will drop me as a mod. Very simple.
No im not a snitch like you (you already know the people) but Im here personally to destroy your idea with the help of evidences and normal debates. Being a snitch and manipulator is quite bad for your blood. Shame on you.
So where did I threaten to ban you? Because that above exchange was not an example of one, so try again.
Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:20 am
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
^^^^^
You're a Sicilian and I know how to read between the lines regarding manipulation and stuff. Ive seen what happened to other posters in the past because of you. Thats why some people are "scared" from your manipulation and contact me only via pms.
You brought up the subject of banning first and I made a joke of it, and within that joke it doesn't say what you think it does:
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:27 amI dont know if I have the "right" to post in this thread since im quite scared lol but.......thanks for the honest answer bud and I respect that and in fact im quite happy about it. Ill enter the minority because....."“truth always rests with the minority, and the minority is always stronger than the majority, because the minority is generally formed by those who really have an opinion"
Thanks again bud and keep up the good work. Ill stop posting on this thread. Cheers
No worries, falls under operational. I'm a mod (capo) and I have the power to go to the boss and argue that so and so should be banned (organizational) but wanting to ban someone over a disagreement (operational) would not be acceptable.
As far as these people contacting you, we both know they don't exist but let's say they do. Have them contact Sol with evidence of me abusing my mod position and Sol will drop me as a mod. Very simple.
No im not a snitch like you (you already know the people) but Im here personally to destroy your idea with the help of evidences and normal debates. Being a snitch and manipulator is quite bad for your blood. Shame on you.
So where did I threaten to ban you? Because that above exchange was not an example of one, so try again.
A mod making a "joke" regarding banning me because of different ideas is quite serious situation. Again, shame on you because I never expected that type of attitude/"jokes" from you.
Believe me, you dont want me start making the same types of "jokes" like yours. To talk to people and stuff...
Admit it like a man. You dont want me here because I simply have a different opinion than yours. Be a man. Say it.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:39 am
This thread went to shit.
Yes and im sorry regarding my part.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Guys, seriously, you know I like you both. We get the idea you have a disagrement and you will probably not spend your next vacations together.
Bury the war hatchet, and continue to debate about the initial topic if you want (you both have serious arguments IMO) but stop with the internal war, it's too bad and useless
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:44 am
A mod making a "joke" regarding banning me because of different ideas is quite serious situation. Again, shame on you because I never expected that type of attitude/"jokes" from you.
Believe me, you dont want me start making the same types of "jokes" like yours. To talk to people and stuff...
Admit it like a man. You dont want me here because I simply have a different opinion than yours. Be a man. Say it.
Still haven't answered, where did I threaten to ban you over a disagreement?
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:44 am
A mod making a "joke" regarding banning me because of different ideas is quite serious situation. Again, shame on you because I never expected that type of attitude/"jokes" from you.
Believe me, you dont want me start making the same types of "jokes" like yours. To talk to people and stuff...
Admit it like a man. You dont want me here because I simply have a different opinion than yours. Be a man. Say it.
Still haven't answered, where did I threaten to ban you over a disagreement?
In your previous "joke".
God knows how many people were previously banned because of your "jokes".
Since you are not a real man, ill be a man and ill say it....i dont think you should be a mod. That position probably belongs to "open minded" guys like Motorfab or CabriniGreen. Not you. Thats my opinion.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:44 am
A mod making a "joke" regarding banning me because of different ideas is quite serious situation. Again, shame on you because I never expected that type of attitude/"jokes" from you.
Believe me, you dont want me start making the same types of "jokes" like yours. To talk to people and stuff...
Admit it like a man. You dont want me here because I simply have a different opinion than yours. Be a man. Say it.
Still haven't answered, where did I threaten to ban you over a disagreement?
In your previous "joke".
God knows how many people were previously banned because of your "jokes".
Since you are not a real man, ill be a man and ill say it....i dont think you should be a mod. That position probably belongs to "open minded" guys like Motorfab or CabriniGreen. Not you. Thats my opinion.
You brought up being banned first, and I made a sarcastic joke about it. If my sarcastic response to your being "scared" of being banned is your evidence, then it holds as much water as your Gus Alex is an honorary wop claim. What next? So because Italy was allied with Germany and Japan during WW2 does that make Schweighs and Eto informal formal members of your American Outfit as well because you know, "Southern Italian rules?"
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:44 am
A mod making a "joke" regarding banning me because of different ideas is quite serious situation. Again, shame on you because I never expected that type of attitude/"jokes" from you.
Believe me, you dont want me start making the same types of "jokes" like yours. To talk to people and stuff...
Admit it like a man. You dont want me here because I simply have a different opinion than yours. Be a man. Say it.
Still haven't answered, where did I threaten to ban you over a disagreement?
In your previous "joke".
God knows how many people were previously banned because of your "jokes".
Since you are not a real man, ill be a man and ill say it....i dont think you should be a mod. That position probably belongs to "open minded" guys like Motorfab or CabriniGreen. Not you. Thats my opinion.
You brought up being banned first, and I made a sarcastic joke about it. If my sarcastic response to your being "scared" of being banned is your evidence, then it holds as much water as your Gus Alex is an honorary wop claim. What next? So because Italy was allied with Germany and Japan during WW2 does that make Schweighs and Eto informal formal members of your American Outfit as well because you know, "Southern Italian rules?"
LOL, I can't with you, my guy.
Thats one quite stupid response comin from an alleged "researcher" like you, my man.
Stop threatening people because you are a mod. And yeah, your alleged "humor" regarding banning people sucks. You should take things more seriously. Not like some damn "joke" as your ops vs org illusion Lol
By the way...me scared by you???? Lol you have to be kidding
...that was me...damn, YOUR PERSONAL forum logged me out again
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:39 am
This thread went to shit.
Yes and im sorry regarding my part.
No you’re not. In your very next post you say he’s not a man and you called him a snitch also. I wonder if you’d have the balls to say these things in person? Probably not because online tough guys have no balls.
