Huge gambling bust in Rochester

[Tonyd621]

Over 1500 bettors, I mean you don't get that from having some fly by night operation. And they mean even use some OC members to lay off some action with that volume

[TommyNoto]

I STAND CORRECTED. Please forgive me as I don't read the buffalo thread.

I didn't ask you where it was spoken about, I asked what it meant.

Italian Organized Crime, it’s how the Feds labeled western NY area investigations

They had a big book , and likely need to lay off action to another group

Gambling is so lucrative, it makes sense to keep things going in these areas as you only need a few trusted guys

Surprising they put so much $ into a gambling ring investigation, rare unless it’s IOC

[mr white]

Once you get outside of NYC a ways I dont think active Italian guys making book like this will care much about lineages and social connections to bigger Italian names/brands that are more known and recognized. They went under the radar and probably didn't need the heat.. Obviously there was some level of potential or actual violence involved here and these guys will probably turn out to be connected socially or by family to those retired guys. Definitely not a functional family but this is very likely an ongoing functional book that paid its people well for a long time. I doubt these guys sprang up completely independently from the retired made guys. They're not young, they learned making book from someone, and they got aggressive to collect when they felt they needed to. You can't collect on bets as an Italian unless the bettors think you're the mafia.

[Guest]

I STAND CORRECTED. Please forgive me as I don't read the buffalo thread.

I didn't ask you where it was spoken about, I asked what it meant.

Italian Organized Crime, it’s how the Feds labeled western NY area investigations

They had a big book , and likely need to lay off action to another group

Gambling is so lucrative, it makes sense to keep things going in these areas as you only need a few trusted guys

Surprising they put so much $ into a gambling ring investigation, rare unless it’s IOC

It’s strange Western NY Department of Homeland Security (Fed) is investigating a local gambling case. Isn’t WNY DHS the ones also investigating the Buffalo IOC & corrupt DEA agent case ?

Wiretaps ? For a civilian local gambling case. Odd ( forever bothering Italians lol is kind of accurate with gambling cases )

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/se ... g-business

[Wiseguy]

Just because they aren't paying somebody in IOC does not mean they are not associated. And the last 5 made retired guys in Rochester, if one was to go by that chart when was the last time it was updated, 1989?
I'm approaching it as a balance. We are not going from 0-100 mph. 0 being the 5 made guys left and 100 being a fully functional viable family. It's probably a couple guys who maybe related to someone or associated with somebody who is connected or made. That's alot of bettors and alot of money going around to not have anyone know about it, eventually. I mean it's Rochester, not Kentucky.

Rochester almost might as well be Kentucky nowadays.

If someone can find any LCN connection the defendants have, besides vowels at the end of their names, have at it.

But I'll again refer you to the gambling bust in Pittsburgh a few years ago. That had descendants or old associates of mob figures, i.e "connections" more readily apparent than the current Rochester case. But it was said in the Pittsburgh bust they weren't paying anyone, which isn't surprising because there was nobody to pay.

My guess its the same with this Rochester bust, even if some of the defendants have some kind of connection.

[NickleCity]

It’s strange Western NY Department of Homeland Security (Fed) is investigating a local gambling case. Isn’t WNY DHS the ones also investigating the Buffalo IOC & corrupt DEA agent case ?

Wiretaps ? For a civilian local gambling case. Odd ( forever bothering Italians lol is kind of accurate with gambling cases )

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/se ... g-business

HSI took the lead in investigating IOC in WNY. It was/is involved in the recent investigations that led to the recent fencing bust in Rochester and this gambling ring. (Don’t know if it took the lead on these investigations).

The reporter following this gambling investigation in Rochester for the last year said he thought it was a separate investigation from the one into IOC in WNY bust will ask if that is really the case. Even if it is a separate investigation - I wonder if it will reveal any connections.

My Questions: Does HSI only investigate transnational crime? If so why are they involved in these Rochester cases? If so what is the transnational aspect to these cases?

[newera_212]

I have family in Rochester and outside of Buffalo basically between Buffalo and Rochester, and I go up a few times a year to visit . Besides the East Side I know the area pretty well.

Lots of Italians in Rochester, especially the North and West suburbs and the City of Rochester neighborhoods that border those suburbs. Where the card game was located wasn't anywhere near there though and was located on the 'nicer' East Side. I have family up there and I remember hearing about that card game, specifically the Blossom Road one, as far back as 2004. Not sure if this is the same exact one or what but it wouldn't surprise me. You got people up there who bet on AAA Baseball and Minor League Hockey and shit, on top of floating 'casino' type of places (nowhere near as glamorous as the Hardware Store spot in the Sopranos). Go into any Deli / Bar and there are parlay cards and gambling pools being ran basically open to the public. Square pools for every big event everywhere in the open. It's a very blue collar gambling type of place with areas that have "white collar" money... didn't a state trooper or local cop just get swept up in a gambling bust up there recently too? lol

I don't recognize any of those last names except for Ferrari which is a pretty common one up there. It's also a very small business friendly type of place where there are tons of local construction, plowing, landscaping, body shops, restaurants, all that type of shit and they are commonly ran by Italian (Americans) not for nefarious reasons but just because there are a shitload of Italians up there. Besides Blacks I think Italians are the 'majority'

From what I understand there is a big and continuously growing Calabrian community in Greece, NY as well.

I'm saying this to say what everyone else basically said... this 99% isn't Rochester/Buffalo LCN and the Calabrian immigrants in Greece probably are not N'Drine - this is just people that happen to be Italian making money the same way that LCN traditionally has

A lot of the relatives...sons and at this point, grandsons, etc. of the deceased Made Members of Rochester LCN have left for greener and warmer pastures like most people do . I'm sure there are still some around , and I wouldn't be surprised if there was like one or two made members of the Buffalo "family" or another family living in Rochester... but that's it. Just living there. Not operatives running the city. To me, it makes no sense for anyone who is Italian and doing anything illegal to make money needing to "check in" with Buffalo or New York and operate under any type of formal structure. There's no fucking point and there's no one in the country who is a made LCN member that's going to be worrying about what a handful of guys in fucking Rochester, NY are doing

Someone also mentioned a Vaccaro out of Greece. Another very common last name up there. I believe the nephew of the Vaccaro gambling guy who got killed was a mid level coke dealer and a scumbag

[Ivan]

But I'll again refer you to the gambling bust in Pittsburgh a few years ago. That had descendants or old associates of mob figures, i.e "connections" more readily apparent than the current Rochester case. But it was said in the Pittsburgh bust they weren't paying anyone, which isn't surprising because there was nobody to pay.

That's what I was getting at in my comment earlier. Those types of guys aren't hard to find between Cleveland and Pittsburgh today, but no one kicks up to anyone anymore. No one is sending envelopes to Russell Papalardo, who would probably be annoyed and embarrassed if anyone tried to. This sort of IOC (you could call it "associates without made guys") is interesting as a remnant phenomenon for the structured families.

[NickleCity]

Not saying this recent Rochester bust is Buffalo related, but in 2006 Lou Turchiarelli and Cimento of Buffalo were arrested with Joe Bianchi of of Rochester for extortionately trying g to collect gambling debts for bookies. Lou is believed to be the ex-boxer mentioned in the Anthony Gerace plea aggreement that also speaks to evidence of a gambling operation. Correct me if I’m wrong but Bianchi is a name associated at least in the lower tier of Rochester LCN back in the day.

Turchiarelli, Cimato and Joseph Bianchi, 32, of Rochester, are accused of trying to collect thousands of dollars from a Rochester man who owed money to bookies. FBI agents arrested the three defendants when they allegedly met the man at a parking lot.

If Buffalo is alive did they have action going on in Rochester in the mid 2000’s. And if they did could they today?

[furiofromnaples]

Any news on the last rochester family made men?
Tony Gingello,Lorenzo Piccarreto ecc

[gohnjotti]

Not saying this recent Rochester bust is Buffalo related, but in 2006 Lou Turchiarelli and Cimento of Buffalo were arrested with Joe Bianchi of of Rochester for extortionately trying g to collect gambling debts for bookies. Lou is believed to be the ex-boxer mentioned in the Anthony Gerace plea aggreement that also speaks to evidence of a gambling operation. Correct me if I’m wrong but Bianchi is a name associated at least in the lower tier of Rochester LCN back in the day.

Turchiarelli, Cimato and Joseph Bianchi, 32, of Rochester, are accused of trying to collect thousands of dollars from a Rochester man who owed money to bookies. FBI agents arrested the three defendants when they allegedly met the man at a parking lot.

If Buffalo is alive did they have action going on in Rochester in the mid 2000’s. And if they did could they today?

Wasn’t there a Rochester-based shoplifting ring bust in the late ‘90s/early ‘00s connected to Buffalo LCN? Or am I misremembering things?

[sharpieone]

Not saying this recent Rochester bust is Buffalo related, but in 2006 Lou Turchiarelli and Cimento of Buffalo were arrested with Joe Bianchi of of Rochester for extortionately trying g to collect gambling debts for bookies. Lou is believed to be the ex-boxer mentioned in the Anthony Gerace plea aggreement that also speaks to evidence of a gambling operation. Correct me if I’m wrong but Bianchi is a name associated at least in the lower tier of Rochester LCN back in the day.

Turchiarelli, Cimato and Joseph Bianchi, 32, of Rochester, are accused of trying to collect thousands of dollars from a Rochester man who owed money to bookies. FBI agents arrested the three defendants when they allegedly met the man at a parking lot.

If Buffalo is alive did they have action going on in Rochester in the mid 2000’s. And if they did could they today?

Wasn’t there a Rochester-based shoplifting ring bust in the late ‘90s/early ‘00s connected to Buffalo LCN? Or am I misremembering things?

There was a shoplifting ring out of Utica that was busted around then. They used to be a Buffalo crew. I had to live in Utica for a year in the early 2000s and the crew was VERY much out in the open. Social club across from a restaurant with up to a dozen guys milling around in plain sight. A few connected pizzerias and cafes down the street. I have no idea if any of it is left. Moved back to NYC shortly after. I know some people retired from LE in Rochester and they didn’t mention any possible connections between this bust and LCN. Like other posters have said, there’s a lot of Italians up there.

[Newyorkempire]

Any news on the last rochester family made men?
Tony Gingello,Lorenzo Piccarreto ecc

Marotta would be the proverbial top guy there.

[newera_212]

Any news on the last rochester family made men?
Tony Gingello,Lorenzo Piccarreto ecc

Always wondered what happened to Loren Piccarreto myself. His father passed away and was living in California. He gave an interview to the local newspaper in Rochester that was posted on here I believe. Not sure if Loren is still in the area.

Both the Gingellos and Piccarretos had large extended families and I would bet money that , while a lot of people (especially younger people) do move away, there are still some family members of both in the area. I always thought the PIccarretos had something to do with the Bay & Goodman Pizzeria which is a fairly 'big place' - nothing like what the Todaros have going on in Buffalo but still a popular spot. I could be wrong about that though but I always thought it was a Piccarreto place. I thought Anthony Gingello was a retired civil worker who was employed by the city of Rochester. I could be thinking of Sam's brother and not his nephew with the same name, who I think is the younger'ish guy that gave an interview to the news about there not being any more mafia in Rochester.

. Gingello's descendants and extended relatives mostly live/lived in Gates (which is just due South , I think, of the Greece place mentioned in this bust/article) . A grandson of Sam Gingello is my age and I know people who know him, but I don't really know anything about him and have never met him. Him strutting around like his grandfather and trying to do the whole gangster thing would be surprising. Him running a small biz like a snow removal service, a vape shop, a tattoo parlor, something like that...wouldn't be surprising. If there are any same-last-name relatives of the old guard 'famous' made guys, that's what they are up to...running regular ass businesses , living in the suburbs, going out to eat 3-4 nights a week. Regular stuff.

What I want to know more about is the big boss Samuel Rossatti - what the deal with him was, if he has any kids, grandkids, etc. around

A lot of the last names of these guys are kind of common up there and there could be people (like Bianchi for example) around that aren't even really related like that. Some not so common ones that might be easier to find out if they have relatives are Didio, Chirico, etc. - always wondered what happened to their families.

Also worth noting and what's funny is that even though they are maybe an hour drive from one another, people up there treat Buffalo and Rochester like different worlds. If you're from downstate you'd look at them like the same place basically (besides one having pro sports teams and the other not) but the people up there kind of treat it like different states. Like LCN guys in NYC drive from NYC to NJ or Long Island 1.5 hours like it's nothing , daily routine, to conduct business or meet with people. Upstate people treat something like that as a big deal and a huge pain in the ass

[gohnjotti]

Not saying this recent Rochester bust is Buffalo related, but in 2006 Lou Turchiarelli and Cimento of Buffalo were arrested with Joe Bianchi of of Rochester for extortionately trying g to collect gambling debts for bookies. Lou is believed to be the ex-boxer mentioned in the Anthony Gerace plea aggreement that also speaks to evidence of a gambling operation. Correct me if I’m wrong but Bianchi is a name associated at least in the lower tier of Rochester LCN back in the day.

Turchiarelli, Cimato and Joseph Bianchi, 32, of Rochester, are accused of trying to collect thousands of dollars from a Rochester man who owed money to bookies. FBI agents arrested the three defendants when they allegedly met the man at a parking lot.

If Buffalo is alive did they have action going on in Rochester in the mid 2000’s. And if they did could they today?

Wasn’t there a Rochester-based shoplifting ring bust in the late ‘90s/early ‘00s connected to Buffalo LCN? Or am I misremembering things?

There was a shoplifting ring out of Utica that was busted around then. They used to be a Buffalo crew. I had to live in Utica for a year in the early 2000s and the crew was VERY much out in the open. Social club across from a restaurant with up to a dozen guys milling around in plain sight. A few connected pizzerias and cafes down the street. I have no idea if any of it is left. Moved back to NYC shortly after. I know some people retired from LE in Rochester and they didn’t mention any possible connections between this bust and LCN. Like other posters have said, there’s a lot of Italians up there.

Utica, my bad.