Maniaci's History of Milwaukee LCN

[cavita]

Some interesting tidbits here in Maniaci's explanation and knowledge of the Milwaukee LCN and its relation to Chicago, etc.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... i_rockford

[Villain]

Thanks.

[Villain]

So it was Maniaci who said that Capone was succeeded by Accardo and that Giancana was Neapolitan?

[JerryB]

Some interesting tidbits here in Maniaci's explanation and knowledge of the Milwaukee LCN and its relation to Chicago, etc.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... i_rockford

Thanks for posting the link, Cavita. A lot of good, quality, historical data.

[Villain]

Btw this was Maniaci too right?...if so...interesting info although I really cant place this guy as one of the most reliable informants regarding the Chicago Outfit...but ill say it again, he still gives us some general picture on what was going on during the early days which is still quite informative...



Btw, is this the same informant?

[B.]

Many sources thought their Commission avugad was the most powerful leader in the US because that's what their relationship was. In this case, Milwaukee was represented by Chicago who arbitrated their disputes so it makes sense he saw it that way.

While imperfect, Maniaci's history has a great deal of interesting info.

[cavita]

Btw this was Maniaci too right?...if so...interesting info although I really cant place this guy as one of the most reliable informants regarding the Chicago Outfit...but ill say it again, he still gives us some general picture on what was going on during the early days which is still quite informative...



Btw, is this the same informant?

I believe both are from Maniaci.. I know he was charged in December 1961 on obtaining mortgage interests under false pretenses. I think that, coupled with the dissatisfaction with Balistrieri made him start informing. Perhaps the government had him by the balls on the mortgage thing and he decided to cooperate. His historical information is interesting and probably mostly correct but there were members he forgot about over time. I think with Balistrieri keeping him and some of the other older members shut out of the business, Maniaci wasn't privy to a lot of current information and was playing "catch up" when he got back in the good graces.

[Villain]

Btw this was Maniaci too right?...if so...interesting info although I really cant place this guy as one of the most reliable informants regarding the Chicago Outfit...but ill say it again, he still gives us some general picture on what was going on during the early days which is still quite informative...



Btw, is this the same informant?

I believe both are from Maniaci.. I know he was charged in December 1961 on obtaining mortgage interests under false pretenses. I think that, coupled with the dissatisfaction with Balistrieri made him start informing. Perhaps the government had him by the balls on the mortgage thing and he decided to cooperate. His historical information is interesting and probably mostly correct but there were members he forgot about over time. I think with Balistrieri keeping him and some of the other older members shut out of the business, Maniaci wasn't privy to a lot of current information and was playing "catch up" when he got back in the good graces.

Thanks for the explanation bud.

[Villain]

Many sources thought their Commission avugad was the most powerful leader in the US because that's what their relationship was. In this case, Milwaukee was represented by Chicago who arbitrated their disputes so it makes sense he saw it that way.

While imperfect, Maniaci's history has a great deal of interesting info.

Yeah i think you're right, since in the first file Maniaci states that Giancana was the "boss of bosses" of a certain section of the country which corresponds on what you said regarding Chicago representing most or some of the midwest families on the commission, and the lower level soldiers viewed at the representative as a big boss, although the statement "and possibly of the whole country" is quite interesting.

I say "interesting" because in the second file Maniaci goes completely against Valachi's claim on especially one count (meaning Maniaci agrees with the rest of Valachi claims) and for the second time he stated the same thing or something similar regarding the Chicago Outfit which was allegedly dominant family during those days and that the boss of bosses position still existed at the time.

Maybe thats why on one of the commission meetings in Miami regarding a problem between Chicago and the Genoveses, every boss like Gambino, Lucchese and the Genovese reps allegedly kept quite while Giancana had the last word and Mike the trigger was forced to do what Giancana said. The problem was between Coppola and Fischetti, and the situation was explained by Fischetti himself i think since im talking off the top of my head lol

[B.]

The boss of bosses / capo position didn't exist after 1931 but yeah they were the regional avugad who represented Milwaukee, Madison, Kansas City, St. Louis, Rockford, and possibly Springfield at various times which gave them a lot of influence. However Maniaci said Families like Rockford and Milwaukee had to invite Chicago's direct influence in internal matters, i.e. they represented them nationally but didn't outright bully/control them. For example Zammuto's election in Rockford was based on their own internal wishes and only Jim DeGeorge tried to influence it but wasn't able to.

[Villain]

The boss of bosses / capo position didn't exist after 1931 but yeah they were the regional avugad who represented Milwaukee, Madison, Kansas City, St. Louis, Rockford, and possibly Springfield at various times which gave them a lot of influence. However Maniaci said Families like Rockford and Milwaukee had to invite Chicago's direct influence in internal matters, i.e. they represented them nationally but didn't outright bully/control them. For example Zammuto's election in Rockford was based on their own internal wishes and only Jim DeGeorge tried to influence it but wasn't able to.

Thanks. Im not sure if I remember correctly but Chicago allegedly had a huge role in electing Milwaukees new boss during the 50s or 60s i think.