General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Villain]

OK Snakes so if we have everything from say 1986 and before on that Scott list as Aiuppa then that puts him up to like 120. That's even more than Castellano/DeMeo (the DeMeo crew killed "only" about 60 people under Castellano before their leftovers became more a Lucchese thing, and Castellano himself did not order another 60). Wonder how that compares with Capone, who would be hard to quantify as so many Prohibition-era hits in Chicago were just various gangs shooting each other and not really related to Capone or the Chicago Mafia (and the distinction between those two is also a complex subject).

Anyway I'm declaring Mr. Aiuppa the Bloodiest Boss in the "modern era" of the American mob after the Castellamarese War until someone proves me wrong. Thanks for all the info Snakes (and thanks to Scott, too).

Someone could write a book about this with some lurid-ass title to draw in normie True Crime fans. Aiuppa: the Bloodiest Mob Boss You've Never Heard Of or whatever.

No disrespect to any1 but i made the 70s list with a little help from the fellas while Scott was responsible for the 80s

Whoops yeah, sorry. Great work here, Villain.

One of the most famous Chicagoans from the early days, Dwight Moody, founder of Chicago’s Moody Bible Institute, once remarked that, "If the Angel Gabriel came to Chicago, he would surely lose his character within a week". Cheers bud

[Villain]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)



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I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years

[Coloboy]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)

I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years
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Lol the key words in that description are "considers himself". As we all know...him being equal status to Cerone or Aiuppa is laughable. Not to say that he couldn't get special benefits because of his relationship with Joe B.

Still, I add this tidbit to the always growing mountain of evidence that proves that regardless of who the day to day bosses were (Cerone/Aiuppa), it was the Riccas and Accardos of the world that always had final say in things.

[Villain]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)

I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years

Lol the key words in that description are "considers himself". As we all know...him being equal status to Cerone or Aiuppa is laughable. Not to say that he couldn't get special benefits because of his relationship with Joe B.

Still, I add this tidbit to the always growing mountain of evidence that proves that regardless of who the day to day bosses were (Cerone/Aiuppa), it was the Riccas and Accardos of the world that always had final say in things.
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I completely agree although I might give him some credit of being one of the guys who assisted Nicoletti and Lombardo after the imprisonment of both Battaglia and Alderisio, in keeping the Grand/MP crew

[Antiliar]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)

I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years
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If I didn't clarify before, I may have made an educated guess in placing Palermo with the Battaglia crew. The fact is that he's one of those guys who are hard to place. He was associated with members of the Battaglia, Cerone, Aiuppa and Daddono crews as well as Accardo himself. I was hoping his FBI file would clarify matters, but it has too many redactions to find out which crew he was part of - if it's even in there at all. So for the present we just don't know which crew he was with.

[Snakes]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)

I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years

If I didn't clarify before, I may have made an educated guess in placing Palermo with the Battaglia crew. The fact is that he's one of those guys who are hard to place. He was associated with members of the Battaglia, Cerone, Aiuppa and Daddono crews as well as Accardo himself. I was hoping his FBI file would clarify matters, but it has too many redactions to find out which crew he was part of - if it's even in there at all. So for the present we just don't know which crew he was with.

That 1982 chart that I found had him listed as a "consultant" which may have just been their way of saying he was direct with one or more of the bosses. Butch Blasi was also listed, so this may be plausible.

[PolackTony]

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I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years

Just to be clear, neither of these are “Palermo’s statements”, in the sense of Palermo making claims about the organizational structure.

“He has reportedly bragged…”. This is an FBI report’s interpretation of someone else’s (unnamed) claim about something they said that they overheard Palermo saying. It’s not a statement by Palermo. It could be baseless hearsay, if it did happen it could have been in jest or a casual comment. IMO, it means nothing on its own and doesn’t indicate anything about Palermo’s position or influence.

In August of 1976, the FBI attempted to interview Palermo about the murders of Johnny Roselli and Frank De Legge Jr (Palermo’s son-in-law), in Palermo’s home in Melrose Park. Palermo was not a CI and didn’t give any organizational or criminal information to the FBI. He stated that he knew Accardo as a personal friend and relative by marriage. At no point did Palermo bring anything up regarding the mob or organized crime, not even obliquely. It is pretty clear that when Palermo told the agent that Accardo was “retired”, he meant in the sense of Accardo’s ostensible career as a beer distributor. Palermo was not an informant and was not telling the Feds that Accardo was “retired” from the mafia.

[PolackTony]

If I didn't clarify before, I may have made an educated guess in placing Palermo with the Battaglia crew. The fact is that he's one of those guys who are hard to place. He was associated with members of the Battaglia, Cerone, Aiuppa and Daddono crews as well as Accardo himself. I was hoping his FBI file would clarify matters, but it has too many redactions to find out which crew he was part of - if it's even in there at all. So for the present we just don't know which crew he was with.

Palermo’s file tells us nothing of substance about his position and affiliation within the “outfit”, and, as you note, entire pages are redacted. We do learn a few interesting things like some of the guys he personally associated with, but not much more than that. We also know that he was personally close to Joe Amato and partnered with Amato in real estate developments in Tucson. Further, we know for a fact (from Nicky Slim’s testimony) that Amato was a capo. But even that still doesn’t give us any basis to conclude that Palermo was assigned to Amato’s crew. Guys in the mob can be close friends and partnered with guys from other Families, let alone other crews. Guilt by association isn’t sufficient to prove formal affiliation, of course.

In the mid-1970s, Bompensiero reported that Lombardo was Tony Spilotro’s captain. Beyond Spilotro and Caifano, I don’t know that we have any sources that I’ve ever seen that identified actual members (as in made guys) in Lombardo’s crew. Nicky C testified that he didn’t know of anyone in Lombardo’s crew apart from “Jimmy” (obviously Legs D’Antonio), and had never met him and so had obviously never been introduced as “amico nostro”.

[Villain]

Ill repost this because we went in a completely different direction...and so any1 knows anything about this? Lol (Again thanks to Antiliar)

I can see some of Palermos statements were way off, like the one regarding Accardo being retired in 76 which is completely wrong according to other also reliable sources, including fbi photos from later years

If I didn't clarify before, I may have made an educated guess in placing Palermo with the Battaglia crew. The fact is that he's one of those guys who are hard to place. He was associated with members of the Battaglia, Cerone, Aiuppa and Daddono crews as well as Accardo himself. I was hoping his FBI file would clarify matters, but it has too many redactions to find out which crew he was part of - if it's even in there at all. So for the present we just don't know which crew he was with.
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I think during the mid 60s Palermo was in charge now of the sewer contracts around Northlake and Melrose Park. Sources say that both Palermo and Joe Amabile were closely associated with Rocco Pranno in those areas, but if they had any problems they allegedly took it straight to Battaglia.

[Villain]

....some additional info....in this file we can see that problems between members were directed to either Nicoletti or Palermo, possible members of the Battaglia/MP/Grand Av crew...

[Villain]

Just as additional info, another file regarding Palermo being again in the company of MP/Grand Av guys, including the Outfits bosses....it seems he was under the Battaglia/Alderisio/Nicoletti regime...



And also this....



Ill be back in a day or two after I finish my next trip and so pls give me your opinion. Cheers and good thoughts to everyone

[B.]

Some info from Bomp in the mid-1970s, not sure if anyone has seen these:

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So Lombardo, Pilotto, and Torello were captains helping Accardo run the Family in 1974.

Bomp incorrectly thought Panarelli was a Lucchese member but did identify him as a member under Sam Cufari.

[B.]

Not from Bomp but a report mentioning Nicoletti's death says he was "once a capo":

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[Villain]

Not from Bomp but a report mentioning Nicoletti's death says he was "once a capo":

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Thanks B.

Im not trying to sound as narcissist but 90% of my so-called educated guesses from back in the days came out to be true.

This again possibly shows that either during the mid or late 60s Nicoletti became or was already a capo, while Alderisio receiver higher and more influential possition. This means that Alderisio was either underboss under Battaglia or was a member of the Outfits BOD, or maybe both.

[Villain]