General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Ivan]

Anyone got a list of hits under Aiuppa? It's gotta be a long 'un.

[Villain]

Anyone got a list of hits under Aiuppa? It's gotta be a long 'un.

There was a list of hits from the 1970s made by me and Snakes i think long time ago. The number was close to hundred...

[Ivan]

Anyone got a list of hits under Aiuppa? It's gotta be a long 'un.

There was a list of hits from the 1970s made by me and Snakes i think long time ago. The number was close to hundred...

Would really like to see that, and a list for the 80s when he was boss. I figured his hitlist would be as long as my arm.

It's possible Aiuppa is the American boss with the most hits during his reign. Maybe Capone had more, or perhaps Castellano if you count all the DeMeo stuff.

[Villain]

Anyone got a list of hits under Aiuppa? It's gotta be a long 'un.

There was a list of hits from the 1970s made by me and Snakes i think long time ago. The number was close to hundred...

Would really like to see that, and a list for the 80s when he was boss. I figured his hitlist would be as long as my arm.

It's possible Aiuppa is the American boss with the most hits during his reign. Maybe Capone had more, or perhaps Castellano if you count all the DeMeo stuff.

Here it is...

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3171&hilit=Chicago+1970%27s+hits

[Ivan]

Anyone got a list of hits under Aiuppa? It's gotta be a long 'un.

There was a list of hits from the 1970s made by me and Snakes i think long time ago. The number was close to hundred...

Would really like to see that, and a list for the 80s when he was boss. I figured his hitlist would be as long as my arm.

It's possible Aiuppa is the American boss with the most hits during his reign. Maybe Capone had more, or perhaps Castellano if you count all the DeMeo stuff.

Here it is...

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3171&hilit=Chicago+1970%27s+hits

All right you're going to think I'm nuts for doing this but I measured real quick and yes, on the 14 inch laptop I'm using, this list is in fact about as long as my arm.

You rarely hear Aiuppa's name come up at least among non-mob buffs when people talk about the most violent bosses. They usually cite Scarfo or maybe Amuso/Gaspipe, but I suspect Mr. Aiuppa may be the all-time champ. It was almost like he was trying to match the number of doves he killed on that one illicit hunting trip with the number of people he killed or something.

Anyway thanks for the list, this is amazing work.

[Villain]

All right you're going to think I'm nuts for doing this but I measured real quick and yes, on the 14 inch lap I'm using, this list is in fact about as long as my arm.

that made my day

You rarely hear Aiuppa's name come up at least among non-mob buffs when people talk about the most violent bosses. They usually cite Scarfo or maybe Amuso/Gaspipe, but I suspect Mr. Aiuppa may be the all-time champ. It was almost like he was trying to match the number of doves he killed on that one illicit hunting trip with the number of people he killed or something.

Anyway thanks for the list, this is amazing work.

Nicely said and you're welcome

[Ivan]

Would very much like to see an 80s list if anyone has one.

Weren't all that many hits in the 90s and 2000s, were there? Just a handful for each decade, right?

[Villain]

Would very much like to see an 80s list if anyone has one.

This list was made by Scott Burnstein i think....

July 2, 1980 – Chicago mob enforcer and Chicago Heights crew member William (Billy the Chopper) Dauber and his wife Charlotte are gunned down in their car after leaving a court appearance by the Wild Bunch, the Outfit’s top hit team. The heavily-feared and physically-imposing Dauber was one of those tasked with consolidating all the Windy City’s independent car thieves and chop shop owners under the Outfit banner. Facing drug and weapons charges, Dauber, a suspect in a number of gangland homicides himself, had started cooperating with the FBI in the months preceding his slaying.

November 28, 1980 – Greek wiseguy, social club operator and Chicago mob shakedown victim Nick Valentzas is shot to death in an Elmwood Park parking lot. Valentzas had worn a wire and testified in a federal extortion case involving the Outfit after his refusal to pay a street tax led to a vicious beating.

March 14, 1981 – Chicago mob enforcer, hit man and Wild Bunch member William (Butch) Petrocelli is found beaten, strangled and tortured to death after getting caught stealing money he was supposed to be filtering to imprisoned wiseguys’ families.

May 6, 1981 – Outfit associate and convicted felon Fiore Forestiere is found shot in the head five times in a van in River Grove.

May 18, 1981 – Outfit associate and jukebox company owner Sam Farrugia is found stabbed to death, his throat cut in the back of a station wagon in River Forest.

August 5, 1981 – Outfit associate, drug dealer and chop-shopper Charles Monday is found dead in the trunk of his car on West Schubert Avenue.

August 7, 1981 – Outfit associate, drug dealer, chop shopper Anthony Legato, Monday’s partner, is found in the trunk of his car beaten to death.

September 13, 1981 – Chicago mob soldier Nick D’Andrea was found tortured and shot to death in the trunk of his car, accidentally killed while being interrogated by his bosses in the Outfit over the botched hit on Chicago Heights capo Al Pilotto .

October 3, 1981 – Chicago mob soldier and Pilotto’s No. 2 in charge Sam (The Gobber) Guzzino is found shot in the head, his throat slit in a ditch on the side of a suburban road. Guzzino was in charge of the ill-fated Pilotto murder contract.

June 3, 1982 – Outfit associate, bookie and Cicero crew member Bobby Plummer is beaten to death inside his Lake County mansion that doubled as a backdoor high-roller casino and stuffed in the trunk of his car.

October 8, 1982 – Outfit associate and indebted gambler John Manfredi is shot in the back of the head in the basement of a Berwyn, Illinois pizza parlor.

January 11, 1983 – Outfit associate and chop shopper Bobby Subatich is shot in the back of the head and stuffed in the trunk of his car

January 20, 1983 – Labor-union racketeer, insurance magnate and longtime Outfit front Allen Dorfman is killed in the parking lot of a Lincolnshire, Illinois hotel leaving a lunch meeting with fellow top-tier Outfit associate Irving (Red) Weiner. Dorfman was headed to prison after getting conviction alongside then-Grand Avenue capo Joseph (Joey the Clown) Lombardo in a high-profile racketeering conspiracy case.

March 2, 1983 – Outfit associate, car thief and Grand Ave. crew chop-chop specialist Michael (Monk) Chorak is shot to death behind the wheel of his car. The Chorak slaying concluded the so-called “Chop Shop Wars,” on-and-off sprees of violence in the local car-theft industry lasting a dozen years and totaling some two dozen casualties.

July 14, 1983 – Chicago mobsters and hit men John Gatuso and Jasper (Big Jay) Campisi are found strangled, stabbed and tortured to death in the trunk of Gatuso’s Volvo in suburban Naperville, Illinois. Gatus, a former cop, and Campisi had botched a hit on Northside gambling lieutenant, Ken (Tokyo Joe) Eto earlier in the year, leading to Eto taking refuge as a witness for the federal government.

November 26, 1984 – Semi-retired Outfit soldier James (Mugsy) Tortoriello is shot gunned to death inside a Ft. Lauderdale, Florida warehouse.

December 16, 1984 – Outfit associate and underworld finance whiz Anthony Crissie is shot to death. Crissie had once worked as the head of a bank and was being pressured by the FBI and IRS to divulge information on his business partners in mob.

January 10, 1985 – Outfit associate and notorious Northside crew enforcer Leonard (Little Lenny) Yaras is gunned down as he walked into work at his Rogers Park uniform factory headquarters. He was suspected of skimming gambling proceeds he was responsible for collecting Yaras’ dad was Davey Yaras, a respected Jewish Chicago mob lieutenant and enforcer who died of a heart attack in the early 1970s in Florida where he watched after Windy City mafia affairs in the Sunshine State.

February 9, 1985 – Chicago mob soldier Charles (Chuckie English) Inglese is gunned down in the parking lot of Horwath’s Restaurant in Elmwood Park shortly after returning to the fold in the Outfit following a near-decade semiretirement spent in Florida. Inglese had been slain former Chicago Godfather Sam Giancana’s right-hand man and gambling boss and began beefing with Outfit brass upon his return.

February 12, 1985 – Prolific independent bookie Hal Smith is beaten and tortured to death, stuffed in the trunk of his car after feuding with the Outfit’s Cicero crew’s Lake County faction over street tax.

July 26, 1985 – Chicago mob solider, Northside crew member and porno racket bossPasquale (Patsy Rich) Ricciardi was shot to death and stuffed in the trunk of a stolen car following him being suspected of stealing and informing for the FBI.

January 13, 1986 – Outfit associate Mike Lentini is shot to death behind the wheel of his car.

January 27, 1986 – Outfit associate Richie DePrizo is shot to death. DePrizo was on the verge of being indicted for fraud related to city of Chicago construction projects.

March 16, 1986 – Outfit associate and indebted gambler Joe Cocozza is shot to death behind the wheel of his car.

June 7, 1986 – Outfit associate and west coast crew member Emil (Little Mal) Vaci is kidnapped and shot to death in Phoenix, Arizona after testifying in front of a federal grand jury investigating Chicago mafia activity in Las Vegas. Vaci worked in mob-backed casinos in Vegas and ran travel junkets from Illinois to Nevada in conjunction with the Outfit.

June 14, 1986 – Chicago mob Las Vegas crew boss Anthony (Tony the Ant) Spilotro and his younger brother and protégé Michael are beaten and strangled to death in the basement of a Bensenville, Illinois residence, their bodies dumped in a shallow grave dug in a Northwest Indiana cornfield. Spilotro’s rogue behavior and mounting legal problems made him expendable.

September 14, 1986 – Chicago mobster, hit man and Southside crew enforcer Giovanni (Big John) Fecarotta is shot to death in front of a bingo hall on Belmont Avenue after botching the Spilotro brothers burial exactly three months to the day of his own slaying.

November 13, 1986 – Outfit associate Tommy McKillip is stabbed and shot to death, found in the back of a Chevy Blazer truck.

September 23, 1987 – Outfit associate and salon owner John Castaldo is shot to death, his body left in a River Forest alley not far from the one of two beauty parlors he owned. Castaldo was in heavy debt to Chicago mob figures.

August 14, 1988 – Outfit associate John Pronger is shot to death on his porch as he opens the front door of his house for his killers.

November 22, 1988 – Outfit associate and bookie Phil Goodman, connected to the former Spilotro crew in Las Vegas, is beaten to death inside a motel room.

December 1989 – The remains of slain Chicago mob victims Robert (Broadway Bobby) Hatridge and Mike Oliver are unearthed in DuPage County, more than 20 years after they went missing, in a makeshift Wild Bunch graveyard less than a mile away from where Wild Buncher Joseph (Jerry the Hand) Scalise lived. Oliver was a machinist and small-time hood in the porno racket and killed in an adult bookstore. Hatridge was a thief and drug pusher from Ohio tied to New York’s Bonanno crime family and its’ Pizza Connection heroin smuggling ring who left for a meeting with Scalise and never came home.

[Pogo The Clown]

Back in the good old days when the mob was not afraid to put in work and commanded fear and respect.


Pogo

[funkster]

Would very much like to see an 80s list if anyone has one.

Weren't all that many hits in the 90s and 2000s, were there? Just a handful for each decade, right?

Go buy Wayne Johnson's A History of Violence on amazon, it's a pretty definitive work listing all the Outfit related murders going back as far as the 20s.

[Ivan]

OK Snakes so if we have everything from say 1986 and before on that Scott list as Aiuppa then that puts him up to like 120. That's even more than Castellano/DeMeo (the DeMeo crew killed "only" about 60 people under Castellano before their leftovers became more a Lucchese thing, and Castellano himself did not order another 60). Wonder how that compares with Capone, who would be hard to quantify as so many Prohibition-era hits in Chicago were just various gangs shooting each other and not really related to Capone or the Chicago Mafia (and the distinction between those two is also a complex subject).

Anyway I'm declaring Mr. Aiuppa the Bloodiest Boss in the "modern era" of the American mob after the Castellamarese War until someone proves me wrong. Thanks for all the info Snakes (and thanks to Scott, too).

Someone could write a book about this with some lurid-ass title to draw in normie True Crime fans. Aiuppa: the Bloodiest Mob Boss You've Never Heard Of or whatever.

[Villain]

Back in the good old days when the mob was not afraid to put in work and commanded fear and respect.


Pogo

Nicely said

[Villain]

OK Snakes so if we have everything from say 1986 and before on that Scott list as Aiuppa then that puts him up to like 120. That's even more than Castellano/DeMeo (the DeMeo crew killed "only" about 60 people under Castellano before their leftovers became more a Lucchese thing, and Castellano himself did not order another 60). Wonder how that compares with Capone, who would be hard to quantify as so many Prohibition-era hits in Chicago were just various gangs shooting each other and not really related to Capone or the Chicago Mafia (and the distinction between those two is also a complex subject).

Anyway I'm declaring Mr. Aiuppa the Bloodiest Boss in the "modern era" of the American mob after the Castellamarese War until someone proves me wrong. Thanks for all the info Snakes (and thanks to Scott, too).

Someone could write a book about this with some lurid-ass title to draw in normie True Crime fans. Aiuppa: the Bloodiest Mob Boss You've Never Heard Of or whatever.

No disrespect to any1 but i made the 70s list with a little help from the fellas while Scott was responsible for the 80s

[Snakes]

OK Snakes so if we have everything from say 1986 and before on that Scott list as Aiuppa then that puts him up to like 120. That's even more than Castellano/DeMeo (the DeMeo crew killed "only" about 60 people under Castellano before their leftovers became more a Lucchese thing, and Castellano himself did not order another 60). Wonder how that compares with Capone, who would be hard to quantify as so many Prohibition-era hits in Chicago were just various gangs shooting each other and not really related to Capone or the Chicago Mafia (and the distinction between those two is also a complex subject).

Anyway I'm declaring Mr. Aiuppa the Bloodiest Boss in the "modern era" of the American mob after the Castellamarese War until someone proves me wrong. Thanks for all the info Snakes (and thanks to Scott, too).

Someone could write a book about this with some lurid-ass title to draw in normie True Crime fans. Aiuppa: the Bloodiest Mob Boss You've Never Heard Of or whatever.

Per capita, Chicago had more people and territory that he had to keep in line relative to the size of their organization. New York had five families in the city to split the hits up and the L.A. family was never that large or powerful (they didn't pass Chicago in size until the L.A. Family was nearly defunct, anyway).

[Ivan]

OK Snakes so if we have everything from say 1986 and before on that Scott list as Aiuppa then that puts him up to like 120. That's even more than Castellano/DeMeo (the DeMeo crew killed "only" about 60 people under Castellano before their leftovers became more a Lucchese thing, and Castellano himself did not order another 60). Wonder how that compares with Capone, who would be hard to quantify as so many Prohibition-era hits in Chicago were just various gangs shooting each other and not really related to Capone or the Chicago Mafia (and the distinction between those two is also a complex subject).

Anyway I'm declaring Mr. Aiuppa the Bloodiest Boss in the "modern era" of the American mob after the Castellamarese War until someone proves me wrong. Thanks for all the info Snakes (and thanks to Scott, too).

Someone could write a book about this with some lurid-ass title to draw in normie True Crime fans. Aiuppa: the Bloodiest Mob Boss You've Never Heard Of or whatever.

No disrespect to any1 but i made the 70s list with a little help from the fellas while Scott was responsible for the 80s

Whoops yeah, sorry. Great work here, Villain.