Modern Camorra Informant question

[Strax]

the Camorra is a federation of clans with a horizontal structure, but they are not street gangs because they have political relationships and strongly influence the economy

Not all clans have powerful politicians as their allies, Sicilian mafia and 'Ndrangheta have much stronger connections to politicians/freemasonry/secret services than Camorra does.

New Camorra clans appear and old ones disappear all the time, its much more chaotic in Naples.

[scagghiuni]

the Camorra is a federation of clans with a horizontal structure, but they are not street gangs because they have political relationships and strongly influence the economy

Not all clans have powerful politicians as their allies, Sicilian mafia and 'Ndrangheta have much stronger connections to politicians/freemasonry/secret services than Camorra does.

New Camorra clans appear and old ones disappear all the time, its much more chaotic in Naples.

yes sicilian mafia and ndrangheta have sure more connections with politicians, freemasons and secret services, but the main camorra groups are also connected

[OmarSantista]

All hail to Franco Nero & Fabio Testi, excellent movie. Pasquale Squitieri made another movie about the Camorra in 1972 just before this one called ... Camorra (Gang War in Naples for the international title). Fabio Testi & Raymond Pellegrin (also in the casting of I Guappi) are the main characters of this one. On a cinephile note, I think Damiano Damiani's mafia films are much better than Squitieri's, but it's another debate.

But yes I agree, I Guappi captured very well the essence of the early Camorra.

Love Damiani's mafia films far more than Squiteri's as well

[Angelo Santino]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

[motorfab]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

I'm not sure this exactly answers your original question but I found this regarding the current Camorra in Naples and its province. There is a document from the Direzione Investigativa Antimafia to download in pdf in addition

https://www.vesuviolive.it/ultime-notiz ... stre-2022/

[CabriniGreen]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

@ PolackTony

They still use Terra Di Lavoro


https://amp.casertanews.it/cronaca/rela ... serta.html

[CabriniGreen]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

I'm not sure this exactly answers your original question but I found this regarding the current Camorra in Naples and its province. There is a document from the Direzione Investigativa Antimafia to download in pdf in addition

https://www.vesuviolive.it/ultime-notiz ... stre-2022/

My bad.... you beat me to it....

I use this link sometimes too...

https://direzioneinvestigativaantimafia ... emestrali/

[scagghiuni]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

this is the latest DIA report
https://direzioneinvestigativaantimafia ... 2021-1.pdf

[OmarSantista]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

That's interesting that there's historical underworld context with that word. This is the movie Piranha's which shows how these "baby bosses" are coming into fruition in modern day Campania/Naples, a great film I've watched it at least three times since it's 2019 release. In theory it shows the elder boss or bosses (I forget) being forced to use these young kids or they'd face danger themselves as well as put a stop to a higher unorganized crime rate in their town which shows the lack of organization that they might already have in place. It seems maybe the elder camorra had a structure of some sort but today these kids do their runs and their killings and it seems that the elders lose power and control because of it hence the terms, piranha and baby bosses, these kids are scaring or killing the elder bosses out of the life due to their abundance of cliques, brute force and lack of collective predecessors for them to follow like what was made prominent in the Ndrangheta and Sicilian clans. But don't take my words for it, watch the movie and form your own opinion and please share you won't regret it!
https://www.amazon.com/Piranhas-Frances ... 148&sr=1-2

[CabriniGreen]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

That's interesting that there's historical underworld context with that word. This is the movie Piranha's which shows how these "baby bosses" are coming into fruition in modern day Campania/Naples, a great film I've watched it at least three times since it's 2019 release. In theory it shows the elder boss or bosses (I forget) being forced to use these young kids or they'd face danger themselves as well as put a stop to a higher unorganized crime rate in their town which shows the lack of organization that they might already have in place. It seems maybe the elder camorra had a structure of some sort but today these kids do their runs and their killings and it seems that the elders lose power and control because of it hence the terms, piranha and baby bosses, these kids are scaring or killing the elder bosses out of the life due to their abundance of cliques, brute force and lack of collective predecessors for them to follow like what was made prominent in the Ndrangheta and Sicilian clans. But don't take my words for it, watch the movie and form your own opinion and please share you won't regret it!
https://www.amazon.com/Piranhas-Frances ... 148&sr=1-2

I think you might have misunderstood it a little...

That boss was importing marijuana from Brazil or somewhere by the ton.... those kids were disposable labor, nothing more.

You should watch the Gommora movie, it explains the kids much better. There were these 2 Scarface obsessed kids running rampant in the territory, until it becomes known to the bosses. They wack these kids faster than you can blink. THE KIDS ARE NOT THE CLANS.

[PolackTony]

There were these 2 Scarface obsessed kids running rampant in the territory, until it becomes known to the bosses. They wack these kids faster than you can blink. THE KIDS ARE NOT THE CLANS.

Sounds like current-day Chicago (I mean the gang stuff, not LCN).

[Angelo Santino]

Thanks for all the help. I've decided I'm just going to keep to the early stuff. Anything in the 20th century after a certain point I'm just going to quote John Dickey's Mafia republic. I was rereading that today and I was highlighting so many passages that I might as well just quote him. I'm not an expert on the modern stuff and I should not try and pretend to be. My earlier findings will hopefully allow people who focus on the modern to make connections that I myself don't see.

Thank you for all your input, fellas.

[Guest]

Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

That's interesting that there's historical underworld context with that word. This is the movie Piranha's which shows how these "baby bosses" are coming into fruition in modern day Campania/Naples, a great film I've watched it at least three times since it's 2019 release. In theory it shows the elder boss or bosses (I forget) being forced to use these young kids or they'd face danger themselves as well as put a stop to a higher unorganized crime rate in their town which shows the lack of organization that they might already have in place. It seems maybe the elder camorra had a structure of some sort but today these kids do their runs and their killings and it seems that the elders lose power and control because of it hence the terms, piranha and baby bosses, these kids are scaring or killing the elder bosses out of the life due to their abundance of cliques, brute force and lack of collective predecessors for them to follow like what was made prominent in the Ndrangheta and Sicilian clans. But don't take my words for it, watch the movie and form your own opinion and please share you won't regret it!
https://www.amazon.com/Piranhas-Frances ... 148&sr=1-2

I think you might have misunderstood it a little...

That boss was importing marijuana from Brazil or somewhere by the ton.... those kids were disposable labor, nothing more.

You should watch the Gommora movie, it explains the kids much better. There were these 2 Scarface obsessed kids running rampant in the territory, until it becomes known to the bosses. They wack these kids faster than you can blink. THE KIDS ARE NOT THE CLANS.

I've watched that one but yes it makes more sense the way you describe it it's been years since i've watched both films so my recollection isn't as strong but the Gomorrah movie I do remember feeling a bit more true and realistic for their circumstance.

[JCB1977]

Recent article on Camorra informant…paywall may be in place.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... mpire.html

[JCB1977]

There are many on here better versed with modern events and times than I am. I'm looking up modern Camorra informants and I'm finding little detail/questions regarding what they describe as a hierarchy. Years back Saviano did an interview and made it sound like bloods and crips, he even stated that anyone could move to Naples and start a gang and that's Camorra. I'm very skeptic.

Can anyone point me in the right direction with sources?

Sergio Nazzaro- Italian writer, expert on Camorra operations. May not be a bad idea to reach out… maybe we could even get them on the forum or on a podcast.

https://globalinitiative.net/profile/sergio-nazzaro/