Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:10 am
And then this brings us down to personal perception of what is considered truth. For instance, DiLeonardo speaks of DiCicco's promotion to Capodecina as if history was made, "he broke the mold" as DiLeonardo described a Napolitan being made capo. We can look up the captains in the 1980's and see that a little under half of them were not Sicilian. If you want to do it by the numbers with statistics then no, DiCicco's promotion isn't anything special. But if you look at it from Michael's vantage point- within the Brooklyn Sicilian-American faction that controlled the family prior to 1985, that was the sentiment felt at the time, which is about as honest and truthful as one can get. Take that and compare it to what was alleged to have been said in Murder Machine- Nino Gaggi told DeMeo that Napolitans only can ever hold soldier. Capeci even made a note that that didn't seem to apply to Gotti/Dellacroce.
Great detail -- Gaggi telling DeMeo only Sicilians can be captains a few years before DiLeonardo was given the impression DeCicco was the first Nap to be promoted. Shows more than one person in Brooklyn had that perception even though it was incorrect.
Great post, my friend.
TSNYC wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:24 am
Gravano at this point. He came across as credible, but his recent stories of going after Chin in his club with a machine gun and some of the other more outlandish stories have become too much to take.
Agreed. The bizarre story of 90-year-old Joe Bonanno sending an emissary to Gravano to make sure he wasn't going to take over Arizona after he flipped and went into WITSEC was the nail in the coffin for me. The Fratianno story raised a red flag for me before that.
Chuckie Miceli. Career con man who can be initially reasonable sounding when he just says that he was connected because his father and uncle were Chicago associates who worked in Ward politics and LE. But then you realize that he has all of these wild claims about being a made member of “The Graziano Crime Family” in Chicago, as well as either a member or associate of the Tampa, Genovese, and Gambino Families, a relative somehow of both Giancana and Chin Gigante (IIRC), and an eyewitness at 7 years old to the Danny Seifert hit who can singlehandedly clear Joey Lombardo’s bad name. Even the ATF seems to have initially been swayed by his BS and vouched for Miceli at trial as a valuable informant. But then the ATF subsequently disavowed him and made it clear that his information was completely useless after he led them on a wild goose chase around the Chicago suburbs looking for mob burials and hidden weapons caches that never materialized. Guy is truly fascinating. Reminds me of the Raimondi nut. It’s not enough for this type of kook to con people into thinking that were somebody in the life; they have to go full tilt and claim to be involved in high profile hits and related to bosses etc.
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
I believe the Frankie Flowers murder conviction was overturned because Tommy DelGiorno got caught making shit up multiple times and the jury decided he just wasn't credible. So thank god for the etc etc.
Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:19 pm
I believe the Frankie Flowers murder conviction was overturned because Tommy DelGiorno got caught making shit up multiple times and the jury decided he just wasn't credible. So thank god for the etc etc.
His oldest son testified against him for the defense. That "Mobfather" book about the DelGiornos is a great part of the Anastasia series that doesn't get mentioned much.
There's a part where Bobby Del talks about how he and Tommy Jr. were hanging out with their father when he was drunk (surprise) and he grabbed Nicky Milano and said something to Tommy Jr. like, "THIS is a son." Bobby said after his father flipped they were all at dinner with the FBI agents and one of them confirmed Milano was part of the hit team that was stalking Tommy Sr. and Tommy Jr. quipped something like "So that's your son, huh?"
I want to believe that old interview where Tommy Del claims Scarfo pushed a horse off a cliff because it led him into a tree branch -- we all love a good Scarfo story, but I've always felt it was utter bullshit.
Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:19 pm
I believe the Frankie Flowers murder conviction was overturned because Tommy DelGiorno got caught making shit up multiple times and the jury decided he just wasn't credible. So thank god for the etc etc.
His oldest son testified against him for the defense. That "Mobfather" book about the DelGiornos is a great part of the Anastasia series that doesn't get mentioned much.
There's a part where Bobby Del talks about how he and Tommy Jr. were hanging out with their father when he was drunk (surprise) and he grabbed Nicky Milano and said something to Tommy Jr. like, "THIS is a son." Bobby said after his father flipped they were all at dinner with the FBI agents and one of them confirmed Milano was part of the hit team that was stalking Tommy Sr. and Tommy Jr. quipped something like "So that's your son, huh?"
I want to believe that old interview where Tommy Del claims Scarfo pushed a horse off a cliff because it led him into a tree branch -- we all love a good Scarfo story, but I've always felt it was utter bullshit.
Haha yeah "this is a real son right here." Also liked the part where Tommy Del shows up with some random cocktail waitress and is like "this is your new mom." Mob Father is great. Breaking the Mob is another amazing Scarfo book that you never hear about. Has a couple really weird Scarfo quotes from the one time he and Friel met. Both the books really show the impact this shit has on family, kids, wives etc. Mob Father is where I got my "don't thank me, thank the casino" line I used when dealers thanked me for tipping them in Las Vegas. (I just abandoned Vegas like two weeks ago because it turned into a total shithole, incidentally. Ohio FTW.)
I actually do believe the story about Scarfo being impressed by the serial killer getting away with 30 murders. That did sound very Scarfo-y. The horse one is "too crazy" and unsubtle for Scarfo. He's more low-key crazy than that, not totally cartoon-bonkers.
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:11 am
Not a CW or CI but there was a recent faker on youtub who claimed he did lots of work for the NY Mafia, was part of killing the pope, was the godson of Lucky Luciano etc. Anthony Raimondi I think he´s name is. Man, did I have a good laugh listening to his story.
Never heard of him.
Those guys are my favorite. They write books, do interviews, often try to get movie/show deals but you can't find a trace of them anywhere that matters.
Wonder if he's a descendant of the old time Bonanno member Tony Raimondi.
Give me some info on Tony Raimondi and I’ll let you know if he’s related.
Just for shits and giggles, I listened to like 5 minutes of Anthony “Luciano” Raimondi’s insane VladTV interview. He claims that his grandfather was Anthony “Tony the Barber” Raimondi who he says was a “Black Hand” leader in BK and both the first cousin and brother-in-law of Lucky (he also asserts that the “Black Hand” still exists in Italy and that even the mafia is afraid of them). Says that his grandmother Nancy was the half-sister of Lucky from Lucky’s father Antonino Lucania, who he also says his grandfather was named after. Says that his grandfather Tony “snatched her up” back in Sicily and married her.
Seems to me that his grandfather was Benvenuto Antonino “Tony” Raimondi, who owned a barbershop in Brooklyn and was born ~1898 in Palermo City (no connection to Lercara Friddi or that area that I see). He arrived in NYC in 1914 and married Nunziata “Nancy” Mizzo in BK in 1919. He clearly didn’t “snatch her up” in Sicily, as she had been in Brooklyn since she was a baby and she wasn’t Sicilian. From what I can tell her parents were Francesco Mizzo and Francesca Apuzzo of Napoli (apparently Castellammare di Stabia). Benvenuto “Tony” Raimondi died in 1983.
Given the Palermitano ancestry, it would make sense if his family had been connected to the Profaci Family back in the days. Worth noting also that when Benvenuto Raimondi arrived in NYC, his contact was an “uncle” with the surname Lonardo, and we know that Joe Colombo’s mother was a Lonardo, with ancestry possibly from Palermo (she was clearly Sicilian and I suspect that her father was Palermitano but I’m not sure).
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
Great, thanks. Looks like it’s at least possible that there was a relation as they both seem to have been Palermitani.
Raimondi being a likely member of the Caruso decina is interesting. Makes me wonder how they fit into the broader scope of the Bonanno networks, given that Raimondi was apparently Palermitano and I have Caruso as from Leonforte (though his BIL Colletti I understand was from Lucca Sicula, which would fit the Agrigentino network at least).
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
I forgot to post that in the Bonanno thread as it's relevant, but I wonder if there's more to that than just Raimondi being associated with Caruso.
JD also has Caruso taking over Colletti's crew after he died. Bill Bonanno was recorded on a wiretap saying that Leo Carlino, who was from Burgio, was under Caruso, and it's also possible that Angelo Salvo was in that crew as well, so could be he oversaw a crew of guys from Agrigento who originally reported to one of their own.
How about that Frank Pasqua goof who claimed his old man was the shooter in the Meldish hit? I wouldn't believe a single thing that POS says after that debacle, and didn't the government try to say it was an honest mistake and he got confused because someone slammed a car door lol.
Hired_Goonz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:56 pm
How about that Frank Pasqua goof who claimed his old man was the shooter in the Meldish hit? I wouldn't believe a single thing that POS says after that debacle, and didn't the government try to say it was an honest mistake and he got confused because someone slammed a car door lol.
I’ve never listened to this Frank Pasqua guy, TBH. At the very least his family does seem to have been connected, though of course that gives no license for any crazy shit he tries to claim on YouTube. I believe that his grandfather was Frank Pasqua, a Gambino member from East Harlem/The Bronx (believe that he answered to Rocco Mazzie, but don’t know if that has ever been confirmed in formal organizational terms) who was a major heroin trafficker who supplied operations in Chicago and had close ties there (e.g., Jimmy Cordovano, who was later made into the Chinatown crew).
"Hey, hey, hey — this is America, baby! Survival of the fittest.”
B. wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:31 pm
There's a part where Bobby Del talks about how he and Tommy Jr. were hanging out with their father when he was drunk (surprise) and he grabbed Nicky Milano and said something to Tommy Jr. like, "THIS is a son." Bobby said after his father flipped they were all at dinner with the FBI agents and one of them confirmed Milano was part of the hit team that was stalking Tommy Sr. and Tommy Jr. quipped something like "So that's your son, huh?"
"Your fucking son was going to kill you." - Bobby.
If I remember right Tory Scafidi and Anthony Pungitore Jr. were also part of that hit team. I believe there was a 4th member as well but I don't know if he was ever identified.
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thekiduknow wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:50 pm
I forgot to post that in the Bonanno thread as it's relevant, but I wonder if there's more to that than just Raimondi being associated with Caruso.
JD also has Caruso taking over Colletti's crew after he died. Bill Bonanno was recorded on a wiretap saying that Leo Carlino, who was from Burgio, was under Caruso, and it's also possible that Angelo Salvo was in that crew as well, so could be he oversaw a crew of guys from Agrigento who originally reported to one of their own.
Yeah, JD’s write up seems to note that his inference about Raimondi’s crew affiliation was basically based off his association with Caruso, so not sure if there’s anything more firm to it.
Thanks for the further info. Would definitely seem like that crew had a strong Agrigentino component, which would make sense if Colletti had originally been the captain. If it was the case that Colletti and Caruso were BILs (which is my understanding), then Caruso’s affiliation would make sense even if the crew had been largely Agrigentino.
BTW now that we’re talking about a Bonanno crew with guys from Lucca Sicula and Burgio, I feel like I’m in familiar territory (lol). Was Leo Carlino connected to the Pueblo Carlinos? I’m thinking here of Old Man Bonanno’s role in the Pueblo Cheese, Co, which was also connected to Agrigentino mafiosi in Chicago (the Vitellos, from Grotte).
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