B. wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:26 am
Phillips could have been an Americanized take on Filipelli his family took on, don't know enough about his background. He looks like the ultimate roided up Italian. Then again, Veasey may not have been Italian on his father's side and he got through at that time.
According to FamilySearch, Frank Salemme's paternal grandfather was from Avellino and married his wife in Newark, her surname being Capone and she came from the same hometown in Avellino. Frank's father was born in MA and married a woman named Haverty, both of her parents Irish. So it's true Salemme's father's side was 100% Italian and his mother's side 100% Irish. Not that weird for the era given they brought in a number of paternal half-Italians in different cities.
So was Jackie Salemme inducted into the Mafia at the same time as Frank or later?
Don't know anything about them. Just looked him up out of curiosity.
I talked to a former NYC associate who did prison time with Salemme after they both flipped. He said Salemme is a character and liked doing time with him, though he said Salemme hated John Gotti more than anyone in the life. No clue if there's a backstory -- the NYC guy wasn't with the Gambinos.
Thanks for your message B and according to this article Gotti supported the renegade faction against Salemme.
B. wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:26 am
Phillips could have been an Americanized take on Filipelli his family took on, don't know enough about his background. He looks like the ultimate roided up Italian. Then again, Veasey may not have been Italian on his father's side and he got through at that time.
According to FamilySearch, Frank Salemme's paternal grandfather was from Avellino and married his wife in Newark, her surname being Capone and she came from the same hometown in Avellino. Frank's father was born in MA and married a woman named Haverty, both of her parents Irish. So it's true Salemme's father's side was 100% Italian and his mother's side 100% Irish. Not that weird for the era given they brought in a number of paternal half-Italians in different cities.
So was Jackie Salemme inducted into the Mafia at the same time as Frank or later?
Don't know anything about them. Just looked him up out of curiosity.
I talked to a former NYC associate who did prison time with Salemme after they both flipped. He said Salemme is a character and liked doing time with him, though he said Salemme hated John Gotti more than anyone in the life. No clue if there's a backstory -- the NYC guy wasn't with the Gambinos.
Thanks for your message B and according to this article Gotti supported the renegade faction against Salemme.
Ahh, makes total sense. When I was told that I assumed it was for the usual reasons people complain about Gotti, i.e. ego, publicity, etc. Thanks for the info.
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:58 pm
As far as New York goes, Gravano said the thinking around the time Junior Gotti was made in the late 1980s was that, "You are what your father is" (since you carry his name). Perhaps this was used to justify making Junior, who was 3/4 Italian and 1/4 Russian. Anyway, it seems Massino and other mob leaders changed it back to full Italian (which seems to basically mean the candidate's father and mother have Italian names) in the early 2000's.
Hey Wiseguy - do you know where Gravano made that quote? Was it in his book, or on YouTube somewhere? I would love to track it down. Thanks!
In any case, let Maranzano know that we in Chicago will wage war on him and, if necessary, we will also use airplanes. The means are ready
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:58 pm
As far as New York goes, Gravano said the thinking around the time Junior Gotti was made in the late 1980s was that, "You are what your father is" (since you carry his name). Perhaps this was used to justify making Junior, who was 3/4 Italian and 1/4 Russian. Anyway, it seems Massino and other mob leaders changed it back to full Italian (which seems to basically mean the candidate's father and mother have Italian names) in the early 2000's.
Hey Wiseguy - do you know where Gravano made that quote? Was it in his book, or on YouTube somewhere? I would love to track it down. Thanks!
