Incarcerated Members: 1993 vs. 2022

[JoeCamel]

Before anyone jumps on me for including Costa as a confirmed guy, he’s on Limones list included with the section of Boston Made Members which is them followed by all Providence Made Members which is then followed by associates from both locales. Same with Prochilo Sr.

Are you referring to the 2010 Probation list or this a separate list? I ask becaus the probation list also included associate and didn't differentiate between m hers and associates or Boston and Providence. Thanks.


Pogo

Yeah, a lot of names on that list but no specifics regarding who was made. That would include Costa, Prochilo Sr. and Rizzo.

So the colombos are bigger than the luchese and bonnano family

Keep in mind that list is 30 years ago. Also, the Colombos, Bonannos, and Luccheses have fluctuated through the years with their size, thereby alternating who was #3, 4, and 5 in size at any given time. In more recent years, the Colombos have been the smallest in NY.

I’m talking the probation list. If you look at it, it goes confirmed Boston made members (with the possible exception of Costa, prochilo sr, and Richard costa) then providence made members, then his gambling codefendants, then other associates. Read the list, logic dictates that this is how the government/state of MA organized it given who is on this list and who know to be made.

Also I included Lee Rizzo because Pogo identified him as a made member.

[Wiseguy]

I’m talking the probation list. If you look at it, it goes confirmed Boston made members (with the possible exception of Costa, prochilo sr, and Richard costa) then providence made members, then his gambling codefendants, then other associates. Read the list, logic dictates that this is how the government/state of MA organized it given who is on this list and who know to be made.

Also I included Lee Rizzo because Pogo identified him as a made member.

You make a good point about the 53 names on the list. One would think they would simply do it in alphabetical order unless it was done according to geography and, apparently, rank also seems to play a factor in the listing.

Carmen DiNunzio
Anthony DiNunzio
Louis DiNunzio
Mark Rossetti
Darin Bufalino
Michael Prochilo Sr.
Michael Prochilo Jr.
Gregory Costa
James Martorano
Ralph Lamattina
Joseph Lamattina
William Angelesco
Anthony Spagnolo
Pryce Quintina
Lee Rizzo
Cono Frizzi
Robert Carrozza
John Cincotti
Frank Imbruglia
Richard Gambale
Vincent Federico
Vincent Ferrara
Fredrick Simone
Vincent Gioacchini
John Salemme
Dennis Lepore
Biagio DiGiacomo
Richard Costa

Louis Manocchio
Robert DeLuca
Edward Lato
Alfred Scivola
William Delsanto
Vito DeLuca
Frank Marrapese
Pasquale Galea
Anthony St. Laurent
Rudolph Sciarra
Raymond Patriarca Jr.
Joseph Ruggero
Joseph Achille
Matthew Gugliemetti

Mark Archer
Joseph DiPrizio
Steven Edelstein
Anthony Lovuolo
Mario Marquardo
Frank Pagano
Thomas Palladino
Dominic Santoro
Dominic Serino
Anthony Squillante
Ralph Ventola

[JoeCamel]

Gaetano Milano (1952-) is also still Alive. I don’t know if you count him as a rat because he renounced the mob. He didn’t testify against anyone. Does he count?

Then
Mark Rossetti
Bobby DeLuca
Joseph DeLuca
Frank Salemme
Nino Cucinotta
Gaetano Milano?

[JoeCamel]

Pretty sure 0 confirmed current New England guys are incarcerated.

Frank Salemme is the only one

[Pogo The Clown]

So looking at the list in this new light there were 42 members on it. Counting Limone, Anthony Ascenzia (from Connecticut) and Frank Anguilo who was still alive we have 45 identified members in 2010. Was Joseph DeLuca cooperating by 2010? If not then we have 46 members in 2010.


Subtracting those who died or defected since then (and adding Albino Folcarelli) we have 30 identified members in 2022. So


1993 - 64 members
2010 - 46 members
2022 - 30 something members


Pogo

[Ivan]

So they're roughly the same size as Philly? Thought they were down to like a dozen. They're much less active than Philly though right?

[bluehouse]

So the colombos are bigger than the luchese and bonnano family

Keep in mind that list is 30 years ago. Also, the Colombos, Bonannos, and Luccheses have fluctuated through the years with their size, thereby alternating who was #3, 4, and 5 in size at any given time. In more recent years, the Colombos have been the smallest in NY.

FBI also had a "member source" in the Colombos for decades (Scarpa) while the Bonannos didn't have a member publicly cooperate until 2002 (Coppa). Also important to note that the Genovese have never had an administration member cooperate while the other four NYC families have. Generally -- but not always -- administration members have a better handle on the amount and identity of made members.

I thought the same thing Scarpa was inflating the numbers.But on the other hand both sammy and michael franceze both said that the Bonnanos were smaller than the colombos when they were on the street so were talking the 70s and the 80s.

[Pogo The Clown]

So they're roughly the same size as Philly? Thought they were down to like a dozen. They're much less active than Philly though right?

During the 1990s-2000s they were on par with Philly in terms of activity but their activity level really dropped off in the 2010s to today.


Pogo

[CornerBoy]

During the 1990s-2000s they were on par with Philly in terms of activity but their activity level really dropped off in the 2010s to today.

How can you make a declaration like that with out prefacing it with "in my opinion" or "based on X"

If you're going to make a pronouncement like that, at least site a source. LE puts out bullshit all the time to tickle the wire or to rattle them.

Most likely they get all their info from CI's

[Pogo The Clown]

I heard it on the street.


Pogo

[JoeCamel]

I heard it on the street.


Pogo

That’s right Pogo getting down with the fresh street talk

[Pogo The Clown]

I heard it on the street.


Pogo

That’s right Pogo getting down with the fresh street talk

That was directed at CornerBoy btw.


Pogo