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Honk wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:32 am Any idea if the lingerie & massage parlors in Rockford & Belviedere were controlled by the outfit. A ‘friend’ used to go to them a lot in the early to mid 2000’s before they were shut down.

I’d have to think they were controlled or at least kicked up to the outfit.
I personally know for sure two strip clubs in the 1990s that payed street tax to Gumba Saladino and one massage parlor that an acquaintance of mine owned.
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I upload the Nick Palermo FBI files in that section.
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PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:30 pm From the 2003 Federal grand jury indictments for the Family Secrets case. Specifies that the underboss of Chicago was referred to as “sotto capo” as well as “Number 2” and that the outfit had a “consigliere” position in the admin:

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So in 2003 they still had Chicago Heights as its own crew and not merged with Chinatown and Cicero yet. Isn't it believed that happened about 10 years earlier?

No mention of Cicero either and some think the only thing left is Cicero and Grand Ave.
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Waingro wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:29 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:30 pm From the 2003 Federal grand jury indictments for the Family Secrets case. Specifies that the underboss of Chicago was referred to as “sotto capo” as well as “Number 2” and that the outfit had a “consigliere” position in the admin:

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So in 2003 they still had Chicago Heights as its own crew and not merged with Chinatown and Cicero yet. Isn't it believed that happened about 10 years earlier?

No mention of Cicero either and some think the only thing left is Cicero and Grand Ave.
Presumably they’re referring to the period covered by the actual crimes being charged, so going back to the 70s. Also, my assumption is that they believed that the Melrose Park and Cicero crews (Aiuppa and Buccieri crews) had been merged.
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PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:37 am
Waingro wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:29 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:30 pm From the 2003 Federal grand jury indictments for the Family Secrets case. Specifies that the underboss of Chicago was referred to as “sotto capo” as well as “Number 2” and that the outfit had a “consigliere” position in the admin:

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So in 2003 they still had Chicago Heights as its own crew and not merged with Chinatown and Cicero yet. Isn't it believed that happened about 10 years earlier?

No mention of Cicero either and some think the only thing left is Cicero and Grand Ave.
Presumably they’re referring to the period covered by the actual crimes being charged, so going back to the 70s. Also, my assumption is that they believed that the Melrose Park and Cicero crews (Aiuppa and Buccieri crews) had been merged.
This is probably also going off information from Nick that Ferriola (whom the FBI presumed to be the capo of a Cicero/West Side-based crew) was only a soldier who was direct with the bosses. As we've discussed, it doesn't appear that Nick was totally accurate in that regard. I have often wondered if Ferriola not being present (for whatever reason) at the making ceremony influenced Nick's thoughts on the matter? Infelise being made by LaPietra instead of Ferriola adds another wrinkle to it, too.

And, yes, I do believe that the general structural statements of the Outfit are based around Nick Calabrese's understanding during his time with the Outfit (~1970 to 2003).
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Snakes wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:52 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:37 am
Waingro wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:29 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:30 pm From the 2003 Federal grand jury indictments for the Family Secrets case. Specifies that the underboss of Chicago was referred to as “sotto capo” as well as “Number 2” and that the outfit had a “consigliere” position in the admin:

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So in 2003 they still had Chicago Heights as its own crew and not merged with Chinatown and Cicero yet. Isn't it believed that happened about 10 years earlier?

No mention of Cicero either and some think the only thing left is Cicero and Grand Ave.
Presumably they’re referring to the period covered by the actual crimes being charged, so going back to the 70s. Also, my assumption is that they believed that the Melrose Park and Cicero crews (Aiuppa and Buccieri crews) had been merged.
This is probably also going off information from Nick that Ferriola (whom the FBI presumed to be the capo of a Cicero/West Side-based crew) was only a soldier who was direct with the bosses. As we've discussed, it doesn't appear that Nick was totally accurate in that regard. I have often wondered if Ferriola not being present (for whatever reason) at the making ceremony influenced Nick's thoughts on the matter? Infelise being made by LaPietra instead of Ferriola adds another wrinkle to it, too.

And, yes, I do believe that the general structural statements of the Outfit are based around Nick Calabrese's understanding during his time with the Outfit (~1970 to 2003).
Yeah, it clearly reflects Nick's understanding of the crew structure at the time that he was made. When asked about the capos who represented the new inductees, Nick stated "me and my brother were with Angelo, along with Rocky". In other sections of the testimony, he clearly and explicitly states that Ferriola was not a capo. And I don't think that it was just that Ferriola wasn't present at the ceremony so Nick inferred that he, therefore, wasn't a captain. Lombardo wasn't there, and Nick testified that he knew Lombardo to be a captain. At least in terms of how he phrased his claims about Ferriola, he didn't seem to be guessing either. He surmised that Eboli was a capo, for example, though he clearly didn't know this for a fact, given that so far as he knew Eboli answered to no one but Aiuppa.

The Ferriola thing has never made sense to me. Nick had been an associate of the Buccieri crew when he first started out (he was clear that Angelo was him and Frank's "guy", to whom they belonged, but that by extension Turk was their capo then, as he was Angelo's capo), so one would think that of any crew besides Chinatown, he would have a good grasp of what was happening with Cicero. Maybe after Caruso and Torello, Cicero and Chinatown were merged into one crew for a while, and then later split again. I don't necessarily believe that to be the case, but I don't think it's impossible. Otherwise, as you say, Nick's info was just off here. But, again, one would really think that he'd be in a position to know what was going on with Cicero more than the other crews, as he had been with that crew before and as a made guy was working with guys from that crew.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:52 am
PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:37 am
Waingro wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:29 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:30 pm From the 2003 Federal grand jury indictments for the Family Secrets case. Specifies that the underboss of Chicago was referred to as “sotto capo” as well as “Number 2” and that the outfit had a “consigliere” position in the admin:

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So in 2003 they still had Chicago Heights as its own crew and not merged with Chinatown and Cicero yet. Isn't it believed that happened about 10 years earlier?

No mention of Cicero either and some think the only thing left is Cicero and Grand Ave.
Presumably they’re referring to the period covered by the actual crimes being charged, so going back to the 70s. Also, my assumption is that they believed that the Melrose Park and Cicero crews (Aiuppa and Buccieri crews) had been merged.
This is probably also going off information from Nick that Ferriola (whom the FBI presumed to be the capo of a Cicero/West Side-based crew) was only a soldier who was direct with the bosses. As we've discussed, it doesn't appear that Nick was totally accurate in that regard. I have often wondered if Ferriola not being present (for whatever reason) at the making ceremony influenced Nick's thoughts on the matter? Infelise being made by LaPietra instead of Ferriola adds another wrinkle to it, too.

And, yes, I do believe that the general structural statements of the Outfit are based around Nick Calabrese's understanding during his time with the Outfit (~1970 to 2003).
I've said before that I don't believe Nick had accurate information on a lot of things- one I point to consistently is the August 2002 Threat Assessment against him that stated that information was obtained that Gumba Saladino was the boss of the Rockford LCN Family. Nick had never said that Gumba was made at the time of his involvement in the Chinatown Crew but that he was only an enforcer and collector who was on a few murders. He said Gumba broke away from them in the early 1980s and he never said if Gumba was welcomed back at any point. The info given to the FBI was clearly from Nick himself but it's curious that 20 years later Gumba is suddenly boss of the Rockford family. I think this was either what Nick was led to believe by his brother Frank or he made that summation on his own. I know our site here doesn't lean on personal knowledge of an area and we rely heavily on FBI reports and such but from what I knew of Gumba he was never the boss. He was afforded a great deal of respect but not as boss.
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Given what Bompensiero said Alderisio told him about being a soldier direct with the admin and knowing Alderisio was operating as sort of a representative of the admin at times, it could mean Ferriola was in a similar role at one point. You guys would know how that compares to other info, just throwing it in. Maybe Chicago used a soldier direct w/ the admin as a sort of "street boss" -- Scarpa said the Colombos did this in the late 1980s.
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That would make sense, but it was identified before and after (and by others sources simultaneously with Nick C's testimony) that it was a separate crew. Scarpelli was made (albeit not that long) and testified that it was its own crew with Infelise acting for Ferriola who was very bad health-wise. I just treat it as an odd footnote and still have Ferriola as a capo with a crew.
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Yeah when I looked at the Calabrese testimony it's clear things were shared on a "need to know" basis and Calabrese didn't need to know much.
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Snakes wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:08 pm That would make sense, but it was identified before and after (and by others sources simultaneously with Nick C's testimony) that it was a separate crew. Scarpelli was made (albeit not that long) and testified that it was its own crew with Infelise acting for Ferriola who was very bad health-wise. I just treat it as an odd footnote and still have Ferriola as a capo with a crew.
Agreed. Nicky C is the best source that we have but his grasp of the entire Family was -- by design, given the obvious primacy given to internal security and insulation -- limited.

I think that we have enough on balance to name Ferriola as a capo. Could very well have been that Ferriola was unable to attend the Calabrese's ceremony and thus Angelo (who, after all, had previously been a soldier in the Buccieri crew) stood in as Infelice's formal sponsor. Likely, despite formerly being an associate in that crew, Nick was just never told that Ferriola was a captain or formally introduced to him as such.

The Eboli thing is still a question, and it's clear from his testimony that Nick was guessing that Eboli was a capo just based on the Mooch not seeming to answer to a capo himself. Unclear to me to this day if Eboli really ever was a capo or sotto capo for Grand Ave, or if he was instead a soldier direct with Aiuppa.
B. wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:39 pm Yeah when I looked at the Calabrese testimony it's clear things were shared on a "need to know" basis and Calabrese didn't need to know much.
Bingo.

As much as I really appreciate Nicky's testimony, imagine if Marcello had flipped instead...
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Interesting except from a 1962 wiretap of Pat Marcy’s office. Freddie Roti, Marcy lackey Benny Jacobson, and an Italian guy (uses Italian phrases) named Phil (LNU) are talking while Marcy and D’Arco are out at lunch. Phil seems to be an important man, as Roti repeatedly addresses him as “sir”; not Philly Alderisio, as this Phil says that he has a brother named Vito who had been a sheriff in the suburbs. Roti mentions relationships that his father (presumed former capodecina Bruno Roti) had with CPD detectives, and also refers to a boss (“the old man”, likely either Ricca or Accardo) wanting to have a detective whacked for investigating something involving the Imperial House (a fancy restaurant in the 50s on E Walton by Rush St).

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Earlier in the tape, it was noted that a Joe Cosentino from Taylor St came to Marcy and said that he wanted to become a CPD officer. Marcy told him that he may have been “too late”, as each ward was given an allotment of cop positions to fill, but that Marcy would still do his best to help him as “we need guys like you”.
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In 1959, Pittsburgh member Sam Mannarino and Montreal-based Bonanno member Giuseppe Cotroni were indicted by a Federal Grand Jury in Chicago. Though the Mannarino indictment is clearly due to the theft of $14 million in bank bonds, it's worth noting that in 1959, the Feds held also a grand jury in Chicago with the specific aim of linking Accardo to narcotics trafficking (Chicago-tied Lucchese trafficker Frank Borelli, who had been hiding out in Chicago after a Lucchese heroin lab in NJ was busted, was also hauled before the grand jury and refused to testify). Looks like Canadian authorities refused to extradite Cotroni and his associate Robert, as they were on trial at that time in Montreal after having recently been busted for an $8 million heroin shipment.

We already know that the Mannarinos were tied to Tony Pinelli. Rabin, the Chicago financier in this stolen bond case, was also stated to have close connections to "top hoodlums" in Chicago.

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PolackTony wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:42 am In 1959, Pittsburgh member Sam Mannarino and Montreal-based Bonanno member Giuseppe Cotroni were indicted by a Federal Grand Jury in Chicago. Though the Mannarino indictment is clearly due to the theft of $14 million in bank bonds, it's worth noting that in 1959, the Feds held also a grand jury in Chicago with the specific aim of linking Accardo to narcotics trafficking (Chicago-tied Lucchese trafficker Frank Borelli, who had been hiding out in Chicago after a Lucchese heroin lab in NJ was busted, was also hauled before the grand jury and refused to testify). Looks like Canadian authorities refused to extradite Cotroni and his associate Robert, as they were on trial at that time in Montreal after having recently been busted for an $8 million heroin shipment.

We already know that the Mannarinos were tied to Tony Pinelli. Rabin, the Chicago financier in this stolen bond case, was also stated to have close connections to "top hoodlums" in Chicago.

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As a reminder for the 1959 Accardo grand jury, it stemmed from the 1954 bust of a major Chicago heroin ring under Joe Iacullo. This bust caused some major publicity issues for Accardo, leading to him being dubbed "The Narcotics Kingpin of the Midwest" by the press, and may well have been a factor leading to him stepping down as boss in 1956. According to the papers, the narcotics ring had been infiltrated by Federal investigators, who observed Iacullo meeting at Accardo's home over two dozen times during the investigation. Iacullo was convicted and sentenced to 5 years for heroin distribution; his partners Anthony Pape and Frank Coduto were murdered, along with Anthony's brother James, who was thought to have been collateral damage, in April of 1954. Investigators told the papers that Accardo had discovered that the ring had been infiltrated by LE and had the men hit as punishment. Investigators also believed that the killing of Charlie Gioe several months later in 1954 was the result of tensions in "the syndicate", that included narcotics trafficking. In June of 1954, investigators told the press that narcotics warrants had also been issued for (presumed) Chicago member Joe "Crackers" Mendino and brothers Joe and Vincent Inserra (Joe Inserra was a neighbor of Mendino in wealthy Lake County).

It may be completely coincidental that Mario Garelli, an immigrant from Polistena, Reggio Calabria, was one of the Chicago men in this ring, busted for selling heroin to an undercover agent at a tavern. Polistena is very close to Mammola, where the Cotronis were from.

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I was looking for these two short videos for a long time and was finally able to locate them on YouTube. They are brief snippets of conversation between Jimmy Marcello and his brother from 2003 while Jimmy was in prison. I believe they are in reference to stories that were being printed in the papers at the time concerning the Spilotro murders.

Sometimes the words are hard to make out, but you can piece together some of the names they are discussing from other newspaper articles about these videos specifically.

“Shavago and his brother”= Spilotros

“Emmett Kelly”= Lombardo

Michael also touches his nose as a reference to Difronzo as opposed to saying his name out loud.

Maybe you guys can make out some things I couldn’t

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XQnpd6jB3yE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y8Hgg7rQTU
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