Barney Bellomo

[Pogo The Clown]

Obviously street gangs and the cartels don't have the longitivity of LCN but in the present day you will probsbly see more multi generational involvement in gangs than you will in LCN. Ratio wise I'd even wager that there are more third generation Crips and Bloods running around than third generation LCN members and associates.


Pogo

[Tonyd621]

We can talk about the strength in numbers in all these street gangs, but the fact remains that Bellomo as an official boss or whatever you want to call his high ranking position that he hasn't been seen nor heard of in more than decade and hasn't taking a pinch even longer than that in this era is astounding that he has been able to avoid a RICO indictment for this long. Nevermind convicted he hasn't even seen the inside of a jail cell since what 2008 according the the BOP locator-14 Years!
Just think about that for a sec it's crazy to me

[CornerBoy]

Any way he'd flip if faced w the needle?

[Etna]

Any way he'd flip if faced w the needle?

It's impossible to answer that question. Either he would or would not. If you go back to 2004, I don't think anyone thought Joe Massino would flip - then look what happened.

[eboli]

We can talk about the strength in numbers in all these street gangs, but the fact remains that Bellomo as an official boss or whatever you want to call his high ranking position that he hasn't been seen nor heard of in more than decade and hasn't taking a pinch even longer than that in this era is astounding that he has been able to avoid a RICO indictment for this long. Nevermind convicted he hasn't even seen the inside of a jail cell since what 2008 according the the BOP locator-14 Years!
Just think about that for a sec it's crazy to me

It's even more impressive because during the 12 years he spent inside on the 1996 charges, the federal government tried everything to put him away for life. Bellomo was probably a top 3 LCN target for the feds alongside Chin and Massino during this period.

[Ovation32]

We can talk about the strength in numbers in all these street gangs, but the fact remains that Bellomo as an official boss or whatever you want to call his high ranking position that he hasn't been seen nor heard of in more than decade and hasn't taking a pinch even longer than that in this era is astounding that he has been able to avoid a RICO indictment for this long. Nevermind convicted he hasn't even seen the inside of a jail cell since what 2008 according the the BOP locator-14 Years!
Just think about that for a sec it's crazy to me

This is what I was largely getting at.

Separately - and for very different reasons - I think that Vic deserved a little more recognition than he gets.

[Uncle Pete]

Another thing to keep in mind, it’s not just the made guys and associates that gives the mafia it’s strength. It is also their Rolodex. If he wanted to, Barney could reach out to pretty much any of these organizations for a favor or a sit down. That is also what makes the mafia so dangerous. To quote Kevin Weeks “the mafia has a lot of teeth, they can bite you from any direction, they are dangerous people”.

[UTC]

Cartels more powerful.
Crips Bloods Latin Kings.
Bikie gangs. Hells Angel's have thousands of full patches in the US alone, hundreds more in canada.

Those organizations are national. Some international. GENOVESE exists purely in a few boroughs in NYC.

I'd have to respectfully question some of these. To call Crips and Bloods national is taking a good deal of license, because a number of little groups just use the name. Latin Kings have far less power than they used to, and are virtually unheard of in states where they used to be strong.

What should be mentioned is La Eme.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Cartels more powerful.
Crips Bloods Latin Kings.
Bikie gangs. Hells Angel's have thousands of full patches in the US alone, hundreds more in canada.

Those organizations are national. Some international. GENOVESE exists purely in a few boroughs in NYC.

I'd have to respectfully question some of these. To call Crips and Bloods national is taking a good deal of license, because a number of little groups just use the name. Latin Kings have far less power than they used to, and are virtually unheard of in states where they used to be strong.

What should be mentioned is La Eme.

It's not as lasiez Faire as you may think. You go into the federal prison system, identify as a blood, and your not? Serious consequences.

[UTC]

That's a specific context of using the name that I wouldn't disagree with. Of course, that would depend upon if others knew you were not.

[UTC]

Obviously street gangs and the cartels don't have the longitivity of LCN but in the present day you will probsbly see more multi generational involvement in gangs than you will in LCN. Ratio wise I'd even wager that there are more third generation Crips and Bloods running around than third generation LCN members and associates.


Pogo

Right, because you don't have the same degree of upward mobility and interest in education.

[B.]

Another thing to keep in mind, it’s not just the made guys and associates that gives the mafia it’s strength. It is also their Rolodex. If he wanted to, Barney could reach out to pretty much any of these organizations for a favor or a sit down. That is also what makes the mafia so dangerous. To quote Kevin Weeks “the mafia has a lot of teeth, they can bite you from any direction, they are dangerous people”.

100%. The network is the lifeblood. It's why if Tommy Gambino is actually the current LA boss it's not that he's a crime boss over LA rackets, it's that his entire family are members of multiple Families internationally and probably have been going back forever. You see names in his family tree in Torretta and Passo di Rigano going back generations and his relatives and friends are running the Gambino, Torretta, and Passo di Rigano Families.

When Accursio Dimino said one of their options for legal gambling machines is to put them in California, he may well have been thinking about Tommy Gambino as a point of contact. It came out Dimino has been in contact with the Gambino Family.

These guys can reach out to people for crime, legitimate business, or just to get dinner anywhere the network is. It's really not as simple as an organized crime group that depends on its control over specific vices although that has been one important part.

[johnny_scootch]

GENOVESE exists purely in a few boroughs in NYC.

Sonny you undersold them a bit.
For the record they exist in all the boroughs of NYC plus Upstate and Long Island not to mention New Jersey, Massachusetts & Florida.

[Tonyd621]

GENOVESE exists purely in a few boroughs in NYC.

Sonny you undersold them a bit.
For the record they exist in all the boroughs of NYC plus Upstate and Long Island not to mention New Jersey, Massachusetts & Florida.

Even if that's what you believe that only exist in a few boroughs it doesn't matter they are not powerful

[Nick Prango]

Which are these so called imaginary organized groups that only det exist on the internet that are more powerful than the Genovese? Albanians or russians? This is pure fiction, no credible evidence.

I totally agree with you. The power of the Russian mob in USA is a semi-myth. It was overhyped by Hollywood and the media. The so called Russian mafia in USA is really divided and different. There are Russian, Ukrainian, Chechen, Azerbaijan, Armenian,Georgian, Polish crime groups etc. People tend to lump together these different Eastern European crime groups and call them the 'Russian mob' in a way that's very misleading and makes them out to be far more organised and structured. In reality the so called Russian mob in USA got bigged up about 20 years ago by organized crime experts and the media as the next big thing in the underworld but it never really materialised. Comparing these eastern european ethnic crime groups ''the Russian mob" to LCN crime families is like comparing apples and oranges. These varied criminal organizations which are generally lumped together as being the “Russian Mafia” are not native born Americans in the same manner as the LCN members. They are usually foreign nationals, or recent immigrants, who simply view the United States as a large target to plunder. They aren’t looking for “territory” as it is portrayed in films and television; they are looking for opportunities to make legal and illegal profits. They aren’t even really known for too much violence in USA. Our people from the Balkans Serbs, Macedonians, Albanians, Montenegrins, Turks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Croats, Bosniaks also view the United States as a large target to plunder. They are looking for opportunities to make legal and illegal profits. Even in 2022 you can't compare these immigrant crime groups to LCN.