John Pennisi Sighting / Sit Down News

[TSNYC]

It seems that it’d be the rare case where somebody that vouched for or introduced somebody that later flipped would be punished in any way.

Nicky Corozzo and several other high ranking gambinos faced no consequences related to Joe Vollaro

Same with Michael D’Urso, so many others.

2/3 of the Colombo family would need to be shelved if that was the case or rule.

I’m sure it happens, but has more to do with the individual than some kind of mob protocol.

[OcSleeper]

Ill argue again that Mirra and Napolitano were killed for bringing Brasc around unless you are a member in that family and were in on discussions that your know something?

Massino was not only a member of that family but directly involved in both murders and testified that Napolitano was killed for making a move on the family and Pistone said Napolitano & Massino had a falling out before he left the street. Massino also testified he found out Mirra was a DEA informant from Mirra's own uncle and that's why he was killed. It's mentioned every time but as far as we know those two weren't killed because of Pistone but it likely factored into the decisions. If they were just killing everyone involved with him, why did Ruggiero get a pass?

[Newyorkempire]

Ill argue again that Mirra and Napolitano were killed for bringing Brasc around unless you are a member in that family and were in on discussions that your know something?

Massino was not only a member of that family but directly involved in both murders and testified that Napolitano was killed for making a move on the family and Pistone said Napolitano & Massino had a falling out before he left the street. Massino also testified he found out Mirra was a DEA informant from Mirra's own uncle and that's why he was killed. It's mentioned every time but as far as we know those two weren't killed because of Pistone but it likely factored into the decisions. If they were just killing everyone involved with him, why did Ruggiero get a pass?

I didnt say they were just killing everyone. But you just stated "it factored into it". What I said was members are subject to death or shelving based on introducing informants. To think that its not possible that this happened in the history of the mafia is nonsense. Whether it is on and individual basis or protocol is another question entirely. I thought it came out that Ruggiero
was actually not the one who introduced Pistone?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Ill argue again that Mirra and Napolitano were killed for bringing Brasc around unless you are a member in that family and were in on discussions that your know something?

Massino was not only a member of that family but directly involved in both murders and testified that Napolitano was killed for making a move on the family and Pistone said Napolitano & Massino had a falling out before he left the street. Massino also testified he found out Mirra was a DEA informant from Mirra's own uncle and that's why he was killed. It's mentioned every time but as far as we know those two weren't killed because of Pistone but it likely factored into the decisions. If they were just killing everyone involved with him, why did Ruggiero get a pass?

Ruggerio was arrested almost immediately, before he could be clipped, there was a contract out on him according to the FBI. He did 10yrs then died of lung cancer shortly after.

It's an AMAZING coincidence that Mirra and Napolitano were clipped immediately after Pistone and lefty had a contract out on him.

Massinos full of shit.

[Newyorkempire]

So essentially no one on here, in the mafia or law enforcement knows what they are taking about and its all bullshit

[newera_212]

Always found it weird that Massino said Napolitano was killed for other reasons besides Brasco, but if that's what Massino said happened, you gotta go with that.

Mirra seems like a guy who'd have a running list of a half dozen reasons why he'd get clipped at any given time... so who knows with that one. But Sonny Black's mob career almost mirrored Massinos in a way. Both grew up around the same area, that Northern Brooklyn / Queens border - both close to Rusty (personally and geographically) - both amassed a sizable crew of guys loyal to them. They really could have been in a race to take sole control of the family, and after Pistone is outed, Napolitano probably felt the pressure and felt like it was his time to really get himself up there once and for all . What better of a time? He could have felt like it was now or never, and that he would have been killed for the Pistone thing anyway...why not go for it?

It is weird but I don't know why Massino would lie? At that point on the stand, Massino lies for two reasons... to make himself sound better (ego) or to protect whatever interests he and his family has left. So, what makes Massino sound better - we killed this guy because he brought a FBI member in to the fold, or we killed this guy because I was personally worried about him being a threat to my power? The FBI/Brasco angle paints Massino in a much better light, and he still admits to killing Napolitano for power-struggle reasons.

Just like the Cesare and Sciascia hits too - everyone thought those were for reasons similar to Napolitano...guys getting too big and powerful, guys becoming too much of a threat to Massino's newly accrued power... but Massino says it was over money and petty insults basically.

[SonnyBlackstein]

1. That Napolitano would make a power play immediately post the Pistone fiasco is illogical. His statue, respect, authority etc had taken a huge blow. That he would, in those circumstances attempt a power play is a non-sense.
2. If we assume he was making a power play to take over the family it is also a non-sense that he would attend a meeting unarmed and by himself in a basement. Thats ridiculous for him to make a move then put himself in mortal danger without cause.
3. Additionally Pistone stated several times that Black wasnt an ambitious guy, mafia wise. That he had entered the mafia because being a thief you basically had too.
4. What was the hit on lefty for? Amazing coincidence eh?
If Mirra was clipped for informing, Black for a power play, what was the reason for lefty? He making a power play too? C'mon.

Either: A) At exactly the same time Mirra is found out to be a DEA informant, a disgraced Sonny Black goes to a meeting in a basement unarmed and by himself whilst making a power play for the family and a contract is put out on lefty for reasons unknow (but definitely not for Pistone) OR ...
B) The three guys who introduced and sponsored an FBI into the borgata in an unprecedented breach and embarrassment for the family are clipped as a result.


Massino had motive to lie as he may have feared guys getting clipped for FBI intrusion may hurt or damage his relationship with the FBI placing his deal in jeopardy.

[JohnnyS]

It seems that it’d be the rare case where somebody that vouched for or introduced somebody that later flipped would be punished in any way.

Nicky Corozzo and several other high ranking gambinos faced no consequences related to Joe Vollaro

Same with Michael D’Urso, so many others.

2/3 of the Colombo family would need to be shelved if that was the case or rule.

I’m sure it happens, but has more to do with the individual than some kind of mob protocol.

Barney shelved Sammy Aparo before he died. Don't know if it was related to D'Urso but its interesting as we know Barney and other Genovese leaders were on Polito's side.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yawn. You said guys get shelved and even killed for bringing informants around and that it even happens today. I simply asked you to give us a list of some of these guys that are being killed and shelved and you came back with nothing. So now you are deflecting rather than simply admitting you made it up (as you do with so much of what you post).


Pogo

I dont have a list. I said they were subject to it. You are contorting my words. What is the penalty? Has to be something. Im just giving an opinion. Guys get shelved for bad mouthing other guys, fucking others wives and so on. Alphonse Trucchio, the two Bonanno guys just got shelved by Mancuso when he got out for talking shit and Ill argue again that Mirra and Napolitano were killed for bringing Brasc around unless you are a member in that family and were in on discussions that your know something? Im sure there is others. I didnt say they were shelved or just killed for bringing informants around. Read the question that was asked and the answer that was given. They are definitely subject to the possibility of death in the history of ratting and informants in the mafia. Yawn.

Deflecting again. You said

Whoever introduced a rat would be subject to that or worse. Even today

I simply asked you to name some of the guys this has happened to. With hundreds of informants across the country surely you should be able to come up with a big list since according to you this is something that happens even today.


Pogo

[Newyorkempire]

We wouldnt know exact reasons. And you know I dont have a list. Again, look at the Donnie Brasco incident and the three murders that happened as a result as SB describes above. Im giving my opinions and suppositions based on the realities of the mafia and reasons members are murdered. Albeit many reasons besides just this. Which can also result in being shelved.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Barney shelved Sammy Aparo before he died. Don't know if it was related to D'Urso but its interesting as we know Barney and other Genovese leaders were on Polito's side.

Good post.
Wasnt it Aparo who gave the heads up to D'Urso that he could be clipped? Was it Aparo who said to D'Urso "If I call you to come in. Dont come"?


Any photos of D'Urso avail?

[Pogo The Clown]

1. That Napolitano would make a power play immediately post the Pistone fiasco is illogical. His statue, respect, authority etc had taken a huge blow. That he would, in those circumstances attempt a power play is a non-sense.

He was making his play (or perceived as such by Masino) before Pistone was outted as a Fed. Ditto for Mirra who was already suspected of being an informant years before Pistone was outted and if I remember right was already in hot water for siding with the 3 Capos.


Pogo

[Uncle Pete]

Massino wanted to flip and may have figured he would have a tough time being a federal witness if he admitted to killing guys for bringing a federal agent around. The guy was a selfish prick looking to save his own ass. He literally has all the reasons in the world to say it was some other reason and knew that there’s not really anyone that could dispute whatever he says about it now

[SonnyBlackstein]

He was making his play (or perceived as such by Masino) before Pistone was outted as a Fed. Ditto for Mirra who was already suspected of being an informant years before Pistone was outted and if I remember right was already in hot water for siding with the 3 Capos.

So Black was making his play for the family before Pistone came out, yet was only clipped after Pistone came out. Ditto for Mirra, who was suspected years before Pistone was outted, yet was only clipped after Pistone came out.
Coincidences keep on coming eh.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Massino wanted to flip and may have figured he would have a tough time being a federal witness if he admitted to killing guys for bringing a federal agent around. The guy was a selfish prick looking to save his own ass. He literally has all the reasons in the world to say it was some other reason and knew that there’s not really anyone that could dispute whatever he says about it now

Agree.