Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[Newyorkempire]

I have to own the fact that in my early reporting/research, before I had a single source on the street outside of my grandpa's jewish bookie pals under Fat Allen, I put the 25 number out for Det LCN in the mid2000s. As the years went on, after more research, with gaining the knowledge that Jack Tocco inducted 2 or 3 batches of fresh blood between 02 and 08 and finding a number of inactive button men previously unaccounted for, the number increased.

SMB

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[stubbs]

We all have roughly the same incomplete information on what’s going on with the Buffalo mob. We’re all then speculating on what that incomplete information means and attempting to draw conclusions based on that incomplete info.

However, the problem with these arguments is some of y’all are coming to your own conclusions on what that incomplete info means, and then getting really angry when someone else doesn’t come to the same conclusion as you. And y’all take that shit so personally that someone else thinks differently than you do.

Here’s an example: We know for a fact that Paul Geraci Jr is the nephew of Joe Todaro Jr, who is allegedly the head of the Buffalo mafia. It’s also a fact that Geraci has been arrested for crimes that are similar to the types of charges that are often seen in typical organized crime investigations.

We’re all then speculating what those facts mean in terms of the LCN in Buffalo. Some posters believe that the charges against Gerace means he’s likely a made member of the Buffalo mafia given his bloodlines, and that his alleged crimes were commited under his duties as a member of the mafia.

However, none of that has been proven so far. Just because there’s a high probability that Gerace is a member of the mafia doesn’t mean that it’s true. There may be another indictment in the future where the FBI and/or the DOJ have a RICO case against Geraci, naming him as a made member of the Todaro Family. Or, there may be a future informant who testifies to Geraci’s status as a member of the mafia, confirming our speculations. Or, it could be that Geraci is an independently operating criminal who was commiting “organized crimes” but on his own and not in any connection to his uncle. Either way, all of that is pure speculation until proven otherwise.

This board has probably the best researchers of the Italian mafia on the internet. Because of that, the standard of proof regarding different claims or events for many posters is much higher than it is on almost any other forum or website where the mob is discussed. That’s a very good thing! It’s very annoying trying to discuss the mob elsewhere where people believe every stupid little rumor is true, for example believing that long-defunct families in cities like Dallas or San Francisco are still active and thriving in 2022.

Just because someone claims they live in a city and have ears on the street, doesn’t mean it’s true that they are actually in the streets. And even if it is true, that doesn’t mean the street gossip they’re hearing is true and correct. Remember how Gene Borello thought the Colombos were basically a non-entity? Of course he did, he’s from Queens and didn’t interact much with guys from Brooklyn, where the Colombos have historically had their powerbase. Even guys involved in the streets don’t always have the ability to see the big picture or beyond their little circle of friends. So, if an associate involved in the life isn’t able to see the full picture of everything, some civilian who hears gossip from an associate or from friends of associates is going to have an even harder time knowing the full picture.

What is helpful for those with supposed insider knowledge is when they get very specific with their information. Like that poster from Kansas City (Bobby Bats?). He didn’t have FBI reports or news articles, however he always shares a huge amount of information about all of the players in the life that he knows personally, enough info that it’s easy to see he knows what the fuck he’s talking about. My point is that people claiming that the mafia in your city (whichever city) is far more active than we think isn’t enough for everyone to believe you, we need specifics.

We all know that FBI reports aren’t perfect, nor are indictments from the DOJ, nor is the word of informants. However, they all generally tend to be fairly accurate and they also tend to be far more reliable than random posters on the internet. Until then, until there’s more concrete evidence, it’s all just speculation as to what all of that incomplete info we have means.

[thesociety 89]

@scott22 Jack Tocco did a fair few making ceremony's in his twilight years yer?......you could imagine Jackie has done 1 or 2 since he's been in charge.

[Wiseguy]

This is the kind of arrogance that drives me batty. You say I’m losing it, but you fail to understand what is being said. At is core Star Trek is about the pursuit of knowledge. At a popular level it deals with the great academic and philosophical questions: 1. What is knowledge, 2. What can humans know, and 3. How can humans know it. Specifically this is then branch of philosophy known as epistemology which branches off into alethiology (the study of the nature of truth). Academic articles in these disciplines have referenced the progression of this series and specifically the Data/Spock/ character highlighting our move as a western culture away from a modern understanding of knowledge to a postmodern understanding. Your notion that you can separate knowledge and disembody it from your personal experience is a very modern viewpoint. Postmodern theory arose to counter the shortcomings and excesses of this view of knowledge. For example making knowledge so separate from experience it becomes too abstract to be known. Albeit the pendulum may be swinging too far in the postmodern direction with its emphasis so much on experience that our understanding of knowledge/truth is becoming too subjective. My point is that we need experience and abstract knowledge. One without the other only distorts knowledge and truth. I think your ridding leolensleaking of experience through your bullying has distorted what this board could have known about say Detroit and Buffalo. At the same time you likely corrected the distortion of taking personal experience too far and how that distorted our understanding of the mafia and its various families.

All I am saying is we need each other so these distortions on both sides are limited.

Unfortunately, it appears you will never admit you could be wrong and will continue to have to have the last word in order to control the narrative so the “truth” is distorted in your favor.

Listen Gene Roddenberry, you can wax philosophical about old sci-fi TV shows all you want. But you're making this mob observation stuff a lot more complicated than it is. The information is there for anyone who is A) willing to look at it closely, and B) is able to interpret it correctly.

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From now on you should just keep your posts to "+" other people's posts. It's the best you're going to be able to do.

We all have roughly the same incomplete information on what’s going on with the Buffalo mob. We’re all then speculating on what that incomplete information means and attempting to draw conclusions based on that incomplete info.

However, the problem with these arguments is some of y’all are coming to your own conclusions on what that incomplete info means, and then getting really angry when someone else doesn’t come to the same conclusion as you. And y’all take that shit so personally that someone else thinks differently than you do.

Here’s an example: We know for a fact that Paul Geraci Jr is the nephew of Joe Todaro Jr, who is allegedly the head of the Buffalo mafia. It’s also a fact that Geraci has been arrested for crimes that are similar to the types of charges that are often seen in typical organized crime investigations.

We’re all then speculating what those facts mean in terms of the LCN in Buffalo. Some posters believe that the charges against Gerace means he’s likely a made member of the Buffalo mafia given his bloodlines, and that his alleged crimes were commited under his duties as a member of the mafia.

However, none of that has been proven so far. Just because there’s a high probability that Gerace is a member of the mafia doesn’t mean that it’s true. There may be another indictment in the future where the FBI and/or the DOJ have a RICO case against Geraci, naming him as a made member of the Todaro Family. Or, there may be a future informant who testifies to Geraci’s status as a member of the mafia, confirming our speculations. Or, it could be that Geraci is an independently operating criminal who was commiting “organized crimes” but on his own and not in any connection to his uncle. Either way, all of that is pure speculation until proven otherwise.

This board has probably the best researchers of the Italian mafia on the internet. Because of that, the standard of proof regarding different claims or events for many posters is much higher than it is on almost any other forum or website where the mob is discussed. That’s a very good thing! It’s very annoying trying to discuss the mob elsewhere where people believe every stupid little rumor is true, for example believing that long-defunct families in cities like Dallas or San Francisco are still active and thriving in 2022.

Just because someone claims they live in a city and have ears on the street, doesn’t mean it’s true that they are actually in the streets. And even if it is true, that doesn’t mean the street gossip they’re hearing is true and correct. Remember how Gene Borello thought the Colombos were basically a non-entity? Of course he did, he’s from Queens and didn’t interact much with guys from Brooklyn, where the Colombos have historically had their powerbase. Even guys involved in the streets don’t always have the ability to see the big picture or beyond their little circle of friends. So, if an associate involved in the life isn’t able to see the full picture of everything, some civilian who hears gossip from an associate or from friends of associates is going to have an even harder time knowing the full picture.

What is helpful for those with supposed insider knowledge is when they get very specific with their information. Like that poster from Kansas City (Bobby Bats?). He didn’t have FBI reports or news articles, however he always shares a huge amount of information about all of the players in the life that he knows personally, enough info that it’s easy to see he knows what the fuck he’s talking about. My point is that people claiming that the mafia in your city (whichever city) is far more active than we think isn’t enough for everyone to believe you, we need specifics.

We all know that FBI reports aren’t perfect, nor are indictments from the DOJ, nor is the word of informants. However, they all generally tend to be fairly accurate and they also tend to be far more reliable than random posters on the internet. Until then, until there’s more concrete evidence, it’s all just speculation as to what all of that incomplete info we have means.

Those who believe there are still hierarchical, 20, 25, or 30-member, active families in Buffalo and Detroit are the mob-watcher equivalent of flat-earthers.

[Newyorkempire]

This is the kind of arrogance that drives me batty. You say I’m losing it, but you fail to understand what is being said. At is core Star Trek is about the pursuit of knowledge. At a popular level it deals with the great academic and philosophical questions: 1. What is knowledge, 2. What can humans know, and 3. How can humans know it. Specifically this is then branch of philosophy known as epistemology which branches off into alethiology (the study of the nature of truth). Academic articles in these disciplines have referenced the progression of this series and specifically the Data/Spock/ character highlighting our move as a western culture away from a modern understanding of knowledge to a postmodern understanding. Your notion that you can separate knowledge and disembody it from your personal experience is a very modern viewpoint. Postmodern theory arose to counter the shortcomings and excesses of this view of knowledge. For example making knowledge so separate from experience it becomes too abstract to be known. Albeit the pendulum may be swinging too far in the postmodern direction with its emphasis so much on experience that our understanding of knowledge/truth is becoming too subjective. My point is that we need experience and abstract knowledge. One without the other only distorts knowledge and truth. I think your ridding leolensleaking of experience through your bullying has distorted what this board could have known about say Detroit and Buffalo. At the same time you likely corrected the distortion of taking personal experience too far and how that distorted our understanding of the mafia and its various families.

All I am saying is we need each other so these distortions on both sides are limited.

Unfortunately, it appears you will never admit you could be wrong and will continue to have to have the last word in order to control the narrative so the “truth” is distorted in your favor.

Listen Gene Roddenberry, you can wax philosophical about old sci-fi TV shows all you want. But you're making this mob observation stuff a lot more complicated than it is. The information is there for anyone who is A) willing to look at it closely, and B) is able to interpret it correctly.

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From now on you should just keep your posts to "+" other people's posts. It's the best you're going to be able to do.

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We all have roughly the same incomplete information on what’s going on with the Buffalo mob. We’re all then speculating on what that incomplete information means and attempting to draw conclusions based on that incomplete info.

However, the problem with these arguments is some of y’all are coming to your own conclusions on what that incomplete info means, and then getting really angry when someone else doesn’t come to the same conclusion as you. And y’all take that shit so personally that someone else thinks differently than you do.

Here’s an example: We know for a fact that Paul Geraci Jr is the nephew of Joe Todaro Jr, who is allegedly the head of the Buffalo mafia. It’s also a fact that Geraci has been arrested for crimes that are similar to the types of charges that are often seen in typical organized crime investigations.

We’re all then speculating what those facts mean in terms of the LCN in Buffalo. Some posters believe that the charges against Gerace means he’s likely a made member of the Buffalo mafia given his bloodlines, and that his alleged crimes were commited under his duties as a member of the mafia.

However, none of that has been proven so far. Just because there’s a high probability that Gerace is a member of the mafia doesn’t mean that it’s true. There may be another indictment in the future where the FBI and/or the DOJ have a RICO case against Geraci, naming him as a made member of the Todaro Family. Or, there may be a future informant who testifies to Geraci’s status as a member of the mafia, confirming our speculations. Or, it could be that Geraci is an independently operating criminal who was commiting “organized crimes” but on his own and not in any connection to his uncle. Either way, all of that is pure speculation until proven otherwise.

This board has probably the best researchers of the Italian mafia on the internet. Because of that, the standard of proof regarding different claims or events for many posters is much higher than it is on almost any other forum or website where the mob is discussed. That’s a very good thing! It’s very annoying trying to discuss the mob elsewhere where people believe every stupid little rumor is true, for example believing that long-defunct families in cities like Dallas or San Francisco are still active and thriving in 2022.

Just because someone claims they live in a city and have ears on the street, doesn’t mean it’s true that they are actually in the streets. And even if it is true, that doesn’t mean the street gossip they’re hearing is true and correct. Remember how Gene Borello thought the Colombos were basically a non-entity? Of course he did, he’s from Queens and didn’t interact much with guys from Brooklyn, where the Colombos have historically had their powerbase. Even guys involved in the streets don’t always have the ability to see the big picture or beyond their little circle of friends. So, if an associate involved in the life isn’t able to see the full picture of everything, some civilian who hears gossip from an associate or from friends of associates is going to have an even harder time knowing the full picture.

What is helpful for those with supposed insider knowledge is when they get very specific with their information. Like that poster from Kansas City (Bobby Bats?). He didn’t have FBI reports or news articles, however he always shares a huge amount of information about all of the players in the life that he knows personally, enough info that it’s easy to see he knows what the fuck he’s talking about. My point is that people claiming that the mafia in your city (whichever city) is far more active than we think isn’t enough for everyone to believe you, we need specifics.

We all know that FBI reports aren’t perfect, nor are indictments from the DOJ, nor is the word of informants. However, they all generally tend to be fairly accurate and they also tend to be far more reliable than random posters on the internet. Until then, until there’s more concrete evidence, it’s all just speculation as to what all of that incomplete info we have means.

Those who believe there are still hierarchical, 20, 25, or 30-member, active families in Buffalo and Detroit are the mob-watcher equivalent of flat-earthers.

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[Wiseguy]

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Ha! Nicely done. You're learning.

[Newyorkempire]

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Ha! Nicely done. You're learning.

Love you buddy. I actually agree with you now. Sorry it took 7 years. Buffalo is dead.

[B.]

You heard it here -- Domenico Violi is a flat earther.

[Newyorkempire]

You heard it here -- Domenico Violi is a flat earther.

Hes been tricked too!

[NickleCity]

Philip Gramamaglia got a job at Local 210 after he served his sentence for criminally negligent homicide in the Long murder and was released in 1981. In 1988 he was, also convicted of running a sports gambling ring tied to organized crime. He got a city job in 1996 during Mayor Masiello’s administration. Only in Buffalo! Here is the article:

TWO JAILED FOR MURDER NOW WORK FOR CITY
By Dan Herbeck Jan 24, 1998
Two men who served prison terms for killings that rocked the community are working for the City of Buffalo, raising some eyebrows at City Hall.

Philip Gramaglia, 49, is a former city police officer who pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide after he and several other men beat and stomped Richard Y. Long to death, following a 1977 traffic incident in North Buffalo.

In 1988, he was described by the FBI as a "bookmaker" after he was charged with helping run a gambling ring with organized crime ties. He now drives trucks and plows snow for the Department of Streets and Sanitation.

Michael Falzone, 37, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the 1981 robbery and shooting death of Esther Normile, a clerk at an Elmwood Avenue grocery store who was the mother of a 4-month-old baby. Police said Falzone's accomplice did the actual shooting.

Falzone, a nephew of convicted loan shark Leonard Falzone, works as a laborer for the city Parking Enforcement Division.
The Masiello administration makes no apologies for hiring the two men, saying they deserve second chances after serving time for their crimes. Officials say both have been quality workers since Gramaglia was hired in December 1996 and Falzone was hired last February.

"The mayor's general rule on hiring ex-felons is that he doesn't sentence people. The courts do," said Stephen Banko III, Mayor Masiello's communications chief. "Once a person goes through the justice system and serves out his sentence, it would be terribly unfair to punish him forever for a past mistake."

Two Common Council members wonder how a pair of convicted killers rose to the top of the hiring list when thousands of other people have been trying for years to get city jobs.

"I don't know about these two gentlemen. They may have turned their lives around, and they may be excellent workers," said Niagara Council Member Robert Quintana.

"But the point is, I know people with high qualifications who have been unable to get to first base trying to get a city job. And these are people who do not have capital crimes on their records."

"It shocks you," said University Council Member Kevin J. Helfer. "Hirings like these pose a whole host of questions. How do we screen people for jobs? Are people being hired on the basis of qualifications and character, or just because of who they know?

"There are a lot of people looking for city jobs, and I think we should look for the best applicants and hold ourselves up to a high standard.
City Hall officials said there are plenty of good applicants to choose from. Each year, city government -- excluding the schools -- receives about 3,000 to 5,000 job applications. In 1997, 370 people were hired, not counting seasonal workers, summer youth workers and school employees.

Both Helfer and Quintana said almost everybody they know who gets a city job has one thing in common -- a political connection.
City Hall officials confirmed that both Gramaglia and Falzone were hired after politicians recommended them.

Gramaglia, who makes approximately $25,000 a year, plus overtime, and Falzone, who makes approximately $19,000 plus overtime, could not be reached to comment. But their supporters say they are men who learned from past mistakes and are making the best of their new opportunities with the city.
"I hired Phil (Gramaglia)," said Vincent J. LoVallo, the former streets commissioner who is now Masiello's director of operations. "He was recommended through patronage, through the political process. He's a man who made a mistake, paid his debt to society, and now, he's a model worker."

Parking Enforcement Director Leonard G. Sciolino said he was aware of Falzone's criminal conviction when he hired him. He said Falzone has done an excellent job booting and towing cars that are illegally parked, putting up signs and digging holes for parking meters.

"He's absolutely an excellent worker -- a go-getter," Sciolino said. "When he applied, I said if his name got through Civil Service, he could have the job."
Banko said both Gramaglia and Falzone had to be screened by the city's Civil Service Commission before they could be hired to provisional jobs. Both will eventually have to pass Civil Service tests in order to keep their jobs.

Having a felony conviction, even for a homicide, does not bar a person from holding most jobs in the city, said Civil Service Commission President Paschal C. Rubino.

"We conduct background checks on all these people, and my feeling is, I'm usually willing to give a second chance to somebody who has made a mistake, especially when it's long in the past," Rubino said.

Gramaglia, once a respected city patrolman, was a central figure in one of the most controversial criminal cases in city history. After a stag party, he and several other men were involved in a traffic dispute with Long, 18, who was pulled from his Porsche and was fatally beaten and kicked.
A grand jury investigation focused not only on the beating but on how police handled a homicide case in which members of their own department were suspects. Gramaglia and two other men, including a fellow officer, were convicted of criminally negligent homicide. Gramaglia was released from prison in 1981. He then worked for Laborers Local 210.

In 1988, Gramaglia was charged by the FBI and the Erie County district attorney's office with helping run a sports betting ring. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gambling charge and was fined $350. Authorities said he has stayed out of trouble since.
Falzone was one of two men convicted in the 1981 slaying of Mrs. Normile, 24, an art student working as a grocery store clerk who had given birth to a daughter four months earlier. Police said she was shot in the back after turning over $3,000 and 500 Lottery tickets to Falzone and another bandit.
Police said Falzone planned the robbery and obtained the gun used in the shooting, but his accomplice, Joseph Cordova, who is still in prison, was the shooter.

Mrs. Normile's husband, John Normile, said he was shocked to learn that Falzone works for the city. He declined, however, to offer any opinion on the hiring.

"I will say one thing. This crime took a wonderful young woman away from me and our daughter (Sarah)," Normile said.

"I've been a happily married man for the past eight years, but before that, I basically raised my daughter alone. She never got to know her mother. I'll tell you, that was very tough. I never knew how to comb a little girl's hair the right way. You need a mother for that.”

It appears Philip Gramaglia is the father of Joseph Gramaglia. See Louise Gramaglia’s obituary on Legacy. Phil is married to Mary Here is the link: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bu ... id=4662111

Notice a Gary Atti signs an online condolence. Notice, also that Lisa Czarny (nee Gerace) signs a condolence for the Gerace family in Vegas and calls Phil and Mary her Aunt and Uncle. Joe Gerace from Vegas and the police officer Richard Atti were also indicted for manslaughter in the Long murder.

Phil’s son Joseph Gramaglia married Mary Lovecchi in 1999. More importantly Joe followed in his father’s footsteps by joining the Buffalo Police Department. See Mrs. Gramaglia. Here is the link: https://buffalonews.com/news/mrs-gramag ... 6de3c.html

Joe Gramaglia will go on to become the deputy police commissioner in Buffalo and Judge Grisanti names drops him as his cousin. Charlie Specht writes:

‘Grisanti then drops the name of Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia.
“Gramaglia’s...my cousin,” he says to the officer.
Capt. Rinaldo, the police spokesman, said Gramaglia denied that he is related to Grisanti.’

Here is the link to Charlie’s story on WKBW News: https://www.wkbw.com/news/i-team/state- ... -neighbors

For more background I wrote about Justice Grisanti’s abuse of power and his stepson Adam Amoia’s alleged cover up in the Monty Masimmi murder here. viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4122&p=170379&hili ... ti#p170379

Grisanti’s name dropping Deputy Police Commissioner Joe Gramaglia is significant because as you can see in my post below, a Bob Grisanti played a role in the Long homicide as well. Not only that, Bob Grisanti later became the target of a hit by Buffalo mob enforcer Luciana “Dilly” Spataro.
Finally, Mayor Byron Brown has just named Joe Gramaglia the new Police Commissioner today. See https://buffalonews.com/news/local/mayo ... 244cf.html

Of concern to me this article states:

“Gramaglia rose through the ranks, serving as officer, lieutenant and captain of B District and Investigative Services in Homicide. He also was a supervisor for the Patrol Division before being tapped as deputy commissioner in 2018. He supervised day-to-day operations and is the liaison for homeland security.”

I can’t help but wonder if Joe has too many close family connections to people who are or who have been involved in the Buffalo mob for him to be the liaison to the federal arm currently investigating organized crime in Buffalo.  I hope my concerns are ill-founded.

For those of you unaware of the Long Homicide involving Gramaglia, Atti, Grisanti, and Gerace, here is my previous post below.

Looks like you may be right Stroccos. Here is a screenshot of court documents related to Anthony Gerace's upcoming sentencing that indicates he used and ex-boxer to collect debts.

Anthony Gerace (Gambling Records & Former Boxer as Enforcer).png

Here is the link to document from which this screenshot was taken: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16 ... -v-gerace/

Could be coincidence, but given the story you mention in The Niagara Fall Reporter and which I, also, highlighted in my post on potential mob activity in the Buffalo Mob's "Dead Years," and the fact that Lou was arrested in Rochester for trying to collect gambling debts with threats of extortion and violence--It sure raises an eyebrow!

THE DEAD YEARS: Arrests/Indictments/Investigations Related to Individuals Who May Have Ties to the "Remnants" of Buffalo Crime Family

For many the lack of known arrests and indictments for the period of 2006 to the present are indicators that the Buffalo Crime family is dead and that any activity is from remnants of the family. This is certainly a reasonable argument. The issue is this: If one believes the crime family is dead he or she may overlook or dismiss possible activity. However, the opposite is true as well. Those who believe the crime family is active may find it in places where it is not.

Below I outline 17 different incidents where those involved appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family during this time period. This doesn't mean all incidents are connected to the Buffalo mob. However, the more I look into connections the more I believe the Buffalo crime family has been active all along. At the very least it has influenced a great deal of criminal behavior even today.

1. 2006: Turchiarelli, Cimento, and Bianchi indicted for trying to collect a gambling debts in Rochester threats of extortion and violence…

Turchiarelli
Here is a link to article: https://buffalonews.com/2006/05/04/ex-c ... tion-plot/ Here is a link to Turchiarelli being accused of being mafia enforcer: https://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/St ... /whil.html

Joe Cimanto
Found no connections for Cimento to Buffalo mob accept to Turchiarelli and Bianchi

Joe Bianchi
The Bianchi’s were often associated with Rochester faction. See: http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.c ... -list.html In the 70’s/80’s they owned restaurants frequented by the mob in Rochester.

Richard Bianchi is currently chairman of WNY OTB (Off Track Betting) which is being investigated by a Federal Grand Jury. Here is the link: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... igate-otb/ The OTB in WNY has been accused of intimidating witnesses. Here is the article: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... g-witness/

In 1977 Joe Gerace, a Vegas blackjack dealer, was indicted on manslaughter charges in Buffalo.



It appears Joe Gerace had a relationship with Richard Turchiarelli who was also involved in the beating after a engagement party for a Buffalo police officer named Richard Atti See screen shot and this casetext link: https://casetext.com/case/people-v-gramaglia



Is Richard Turchiarelli related to the exBoxer and possible enforcer for the Geraces'? I don't know for sure, but I did dig up a Richard who is related to a Lou but I don't know in what capacity or if it is the same Lou. Does anyone have any information on this?

Joe Gerace is friendly with the Todaro's (if not related to them and the Gerace family in Buffalo.) He signed both Joe Todaro Sr. and Josephine "Nanni T's" obituary guestbooks.



Also of interest is the involvement of tobacco salesman Jack Giammaresi given the Buffalo crime family has had significant involvement in tobacco smuggling in conjunction with the indigenous peoples and their reservations in upstate NY. Also interesting that this incident involved another Buffalo police officer Philip Gramaglia. Perhaps the Gerace family has had a lot of "influence" on law enforcement in WNY.

Here is a link to a WIVB news video of Atti, Giammaresi, & Gramaglia's sentencing: https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/dig ... d/88/rec/1

Here is another interesting piece of information: I Just found another Giammaresi in Fino’s book The Triangle Exit. It appears Tom Giammaresi was a bodyguard and associate of Pieri who, as a BPD Detective, provided Pieri with information about ongoing investigations. Here is what Fino wrote:

Sam Pieri wasted little time in his role as my Buffalo Mafia helmsman and ignoring the orders that he was to communicate with me through his nephew, he introduced me to his bodyguard and close associate, Tom Giammaresi, a Buffalo Police detective who provided him with sensitive information about ongoing investigations. As we sat in the kitchen of the Pieri home (owned by Giammaresi), Sammy told me that he wanted office space for a business that was envisioned by the elder Mafioso and his obedient police officer. The plan was for Giammaresi to form a minority company to take advantage of the current laws that required all state and federal projects to award a percentage to minority-owned contractors and businesses. Enjoying the assistance of the family-controlled Local 210, they decided to take advantage of the proposed multi-million dollar light rail rapid transit project that was a focal point of Buffalo's future and viability. Their idea was to start an equipment leasing company that would make machinery available for the general and subcontractors that would be awarded the massive amount of work.

Think this lends some more support to the idea that the 1977 beating/Joe Gerace, Turchiarelli, Jack Giammaresi connections are mob related, which adds support to the notion that the Gerace family has had a history or relationships with corrupt law enforcement officials.

Also, given Jack Giammaresi being a tobacco salesman and Tom Giammaresi's connection to Pieri I can't help but wonder if Jack was part of Buffalo family trafficking of cigs and tobacco to Canada in cooperation with some corrupt players in the upstate reservations. Anyway, the more I look the more intertwined these old cases seem to be with each other and the current investigation into IOC in Buffalo.

Something else that makes me go MMM?

Found an article from the Journal of Ogdensburg, NY on Tuesday March 7, 1970 that indicates a Buffalo Police Officer named Robert Grisanti was suspended by the Buffalo police because he had been charged with perjury and contempt by the grand jury investigated the Long murder case I've talked about above. Here is the article:



I believe this is the same Robert Grisanti that was commended for his efforts for fighting narcotics traffickers and drug dealers as officer of the year in 1997. (Of interest Bill Henderson of Toronto Police Service was selected for the 1997 Canadian officer of the year.) See article below:



You can see from this Linked-in profile (below) that “Bob” Grisanti would have served BPD for 27 years as stated in The Buffalo News article from 1997 (above).



Additionally, Robert Grisanti was a murder target of Buffalo mob hit man Luciano “AKA Dilly, AKA Dillinger” Spataro who was recently release from prison. He was to be killed for investigating “the drug empire” of Mike Biscotto who operated in what has been called the Graziadei Drug Ring with Spataro.

SEE: https://buffalonews.com/news/informant- ... a2fd0.html Pictures of article below:





SEE ALSO: https://buffalonews.com/news/police-off ... fba6c.html. Pictures of article below:





I should note that Frank J Morrocco was convicted for his role in the Grazaidei Drug ring and is involved with the Lockport and Kenmore debt collection scandal being investigated for its connects to the Buffalo mafia by Federal Law Enforcement right now.

Has the Buffalo mob and Gerace family had it hand in Buffalo law enforcement all this time? Katrina Nigro has made those allegations about Peter Gerace Jr. and the Cheektowaga PD.

[SonnyBlackstein]

You heard it here -- Domenico Violi is a flat earther.

Beneath you.
WG is not disputing DV's position, just that Buffalo is a resurgent entity. You know the diff.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Hes been tricked too!

You know when WG says all you do is suck dick of other posters and then.... thats all you do, you embarrass yourself.

Post when you have something to contribute, you MIGHT get a kernal of respect.


PS NICKLE: Half thread page quotes piss people off FYI.

[Newyorkempire]

Hes been tricked too!

You know when WG says all you do is suck dick of other posters and then.... thats all you do, you embarrass yourself.

Post when you have something to contribute, you MIGHT get a kernal of respect.


PS NICKLE: Half thread page quotes piss people off FYI.

Love it. Ive made my points time and time again with logic and reason, contributed in the same copy and paste method everyone else does with articles. Keep your kernel of respect, no worries. That flat earth joke was gold and hit hard! It deserved a good dick suck (no homo). The embarrassment should be your thinking that you need to tell posters when they should laugh at a joke or not and acknowledge its incredible humor.

[NickleCity]

By the way Phil Gramaglia is Joe's Gramaglia's uncle not father... my bad.

[Newyorkempire]

Philip Gramamaglia got a job at Local 210 after he served his sentence for criminally negligent homicide in the Long murder and was released in 1981. In 1988 he was, also convicted of running a sports gambling ring tied to organized crime. He got a city job in 1996 during Mayor Masiello’s administration. Only in Buffalo! Here is the article:

TWO JAILED FOR MURDER NOW WORK FOR CITY
By Dan Herbeck Jan 24, 1998
Two men who served prison terms for killings that rocked the community are working for the City of Buffalo, raising some eyebrows at City Hall.

Philip Gramaglia, 49, is a former city police officer who pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide after he and several other men beat and stomped Richard Y. Long to death, following a 1977 traffic incident in North Buffalo.

In 1988, he was described by the FBI as a "bookmaker" after he was charged with helping run a gambling ring with organized crime ties. He now drives trucks and plows snow for the Department of Streets and Sanitation.

Michael Falzone, 37, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the 1981 robbery and shooting death of Esther Normile, a clerk at an Elmwood Avenue grocery store who was the mother of a 4-month-old baby. Police said Falzone's accomplice did the actual shooting.

Falzone, a nephew of convicted loan shark Leonard Falzone, works as a laborer for the city Parking Enforcement Division.
The Masiello administration makes no apologies for hiring the two men, saying they deserve second chances after serving time for their crimes. Officials say both have been quality workers since Gramaglia was hired in December 1996 and Falzone was hired last February.

"The mayor's general rule on hiring ex-felons is that he doesn't sentence people. The courts do," said Stephen Banko III, Mayor Masiello's communications chief. "Once a person goes through the justice system and serves out his sentence, it would be terribly unfair to punish him forever for a past mistake."

Two Common Council members wonder how a pair of convicted killers rose to the top of the hiring list when thousands of other people have been trying for years to get city jobs.

"I don't know about these two gentlemen. They may have turned their lives around, and they may be excellent workers," said Niagara Council Member Robert Quintana.

"But the point is, I know people with high qualifications who have been unable to get to first base trying to get a city job. And these are people who do not have capital crimes on their records."

"It shocks you," said University Council Member Kevin J. Helfer. "Hirings like these pose a whole host of questions. How do we screen people for jobs? Are people being hired on the basis of qualifications and character, or just because of who they know?

"There are a lot of people looking for city jobs, and I think we should look for the best applicants and hold ourselves up to a high standard.
City Hall officials said there are plenty of good applicants to choose from. Each year, city government -- excluding the schools -- receives about 3,000 to 5,000 job applications. In 1997, 370 people were hired, not counting seasonal workers, summer youth workers and school employees.

Both Helfer and Quintana said almost everybody they know who gets a city job has one thing in common -- a political connection.
City Hall officials confirmed that both Gramaglia and Falzone were hired after politicians recommended them.

Gramaglia, who makes approximately $25,000 a year, plus overtime, and Falzone, who makes approximately $19,000 plus overtime, could not be reached to comment. But their supporters say they are men who learned from past mistakes and are making the best of their new opportunities with the city.
"I hired Phil (Gramaglia)," said Vincent J. LoVallo, the former streets commissioner who is now Masiello's director of operations. "He was recommended through patronage, through the political process. He's a man who made a mistake, paid his debt to society, and now, he's a model worker."

Parking Enforcement Director Leonard G. Sciolino said he was aware of Falzone's criminal conviction when he hired him. He said Falzone has done an excellent job booting and towing cars that are illegally parked, putting up signs and digging holes for parking meters.

"He's absolutely an excellent worker -- a go-getter," Sciolino said. "When he applied, I said if his name got through Civil Service, he could have the job."
Banko said both Gramaglia and Falzone had to be screened by the city's Civil Service Commission before they could be hired to provisional jobs. Both will eventually have to pass Civil Service tests in order to keep their jobs.

Having a felony conviction, even for a homicide, does not bar a person from holding most jobs in the city, said Civil Service Commission President Paschal C. Rubino.

"We conduct background checks on all these people, and my feeling is, I'm usually willing to give a second chance to somebody who has made a mistake, especially when it's long in the past," Rubino said.

Gramaglia, once a respected city patrolman, was a central figure in one of the most controversial criminal cases in city history. After a stag party, he and several other men were involved in a traffic dispute with Long, 18, who was pulled from his Porsche and was fatally beaten and kicked.
A grand jury investigation focused not only on the beating but on how police handled a homicide case in which members of their own department were suspects. Gramaglia and two other men, including a fellow officer, were convicted of criminally negligent homicide. Gramaglia was released from prison in 1981. He then worked for Laborers Local 210.

In 1988, Gramaglia was charged by the FBI and the Erie County district attorney's office with helping run a sports betting ring. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gambling charge and was fined $350. Authorities said he has stayed out of trouble since.
Falzone was one of two men convicted in the 1981 slaying of Mrs. Normile, 24, an art student working as a grocery store clerk who had given birth to a daughter four months earlier. Police said she was shot in the back after turning over $3,000 and 500 Lottery tickets to Falzone and another bandit.
Police said Falzone planned the robbery and obtained the gun used in the shooting, but his accomplice, Joseph Cordova, who is still in prison, was the shooter.

Mrs. Normile's husband, John Normile, said he was shocked to learn that Falzone works for the city. He declined, however, to offer any opinion on the hiring.

"I will say one thing. This crime took a wonderful young woman away from me and our daughter (Sarah)," Normile said.

"I've been a happily married man for the past eight years, but before that, I basically raised my daughter alone. She never got to know her mother. I'll tell you, that was very tough. I never knew how to comb a little girl's hair the right way. You need a mother for that.”

It appears Philip Gramaglia is the father of Joseph Gramaglia. See Louise Gramaglia’s obituary on Legacy. Phil is married to Mary Here is the link: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bu ... id=4662111

Notice a Gary Atti signs an online condolence. Notice, also that Lisa Czarny (nee Gerace) signs a condolence for the Gerace family in Vegas and calls Phil and Mary her Aunt and Uncle. Joe Gerace from Vegas and the police officer Richard Atti were also indicted for manslaughter in the Long murder.

Phil’s son Joseph Gramaglia married Mary Lovecchi in 1999. More importantly Joe followed in his father’s footsteps by joining the Buffalo Police Department. See Mrs. Gramaglia. Here is the link: https://buffalonews.com/news/mrs-gramag ... 6de3c.html

Joe Gramaglia will go on to become the deputy police commissioner in Buffalo and Judge Grisanti names drops him as his cousin. Charlie Specht writes:

‘Grisanti then drops the name of Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia.
“Gramaglia’s...my cousin,” he says to the officer.
Capt. Rinaldo, the police spokesman, said Gramaglia denied that he is related to Grisanti.’

Here is the link to Charlie’s story on WKBW News: https://www.wkbw.com/news/i-team/state- ... -neighbors

For more background I wrote about Justice Grisanti’s abuse of power and his stepson Adam Amoia’s alleged cover up in the Monty Masimmi murder here. viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4122&p=170379&hili ... ti#p170379

Grisanti’s name dropping Deputy Police Commissioner Joe Gramaglia is significant because as you can see in my post below, a Bob Grisanti played a role in the Long homicide as well. Not only that, Bob Grisanti later became the target of a hit by Buffalo mob enforcer Luciana “Dilly” Spataro.
Finally, Mayor Byron Brown has just named Joe Gramaglia the new Police Commissioner today. See https://buffalonews.com/news/local/mayo ... 244cf.html

Of concern to me this article states:

“Gramaglia rose through the ranks, serving as officer, lieutenant and captain of B District and Investigative Services in Homicide. He also was a supervisor for the Patrol Division before being tapped as deputy commissioner in 2018. He supervised day-to-day operations and is the liaison for homeland security.”

I can’t help but wonder if Joe has too many close family connections to people who are or who have been involved in the Buffalo mob for him to be the liaison to the federal arm currently investigating organized crime in Buffalo.  I hope my concerns are ill-founded.

For those of you unaware of the Long Homicide involving Gramaglia, Atti, Grisanti, and Gerace, here is my previous post below.

Looks like you may be right Stroccos. Here is a screenshot of court documents related to Anthony Gerace's upcoming sentencing that indicates he used and ex-boxer to collect debts.

Anthony Gerace (Gambling Records & Former Boxer as Enforcer).png

Here is the link to document from which this screenshot was taken: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16 ... -v-gerace/

Could be coincidence, but given the story you mention in The Niagara Fall Reporter and which I, also, highlighted in my post on potential mob activity in the Buffalo Mob's "Dead Years," and the fact that Lou was arrested in Rochester for trying to collect gambling debts with threats of extortion and violence--It sure raises an eyebrow!

THE DEAD YEARS: Arrests/Indictments/Investigations Related to Individuals Who May Have Ties to the "Remnants" of Buffalo Crime Family

For many the lack of known arrests and indictments for the period of 2006 to the present are indicators that the Buffalo Crime family is dead and that any activity is from remnants of the family. This is certainly a reasonable argument. The issue is this: If one believes the crime family is dead he or she may overlook or dismiss possible activity. However, the opposite is true as well. Those who believe the crime family is active may find it in places where it is not.

Below I outline 17 different incidents where those involved appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family during this time period. This doesn't mean all incidents are connected to the Buffalo mob. However, the more I look into connections the more I believe the Buffalo crime family has been active all along. At the very least it has influenced a great deal of criminal behavior even today.

1. 2006: Turchiarelli, Cimento, and Bianchi indicted for trying to collect a gambling debts in Rochester threats of extortion and violence…

Turchiarelli
Here is a link to article: https://buffalonews.com/2006/05/04/ex-c ... tion-plot/ Here is a link to Turchiarelli being accused of being mafia enforcer: https://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/St ... /whil.html

Joe Cimanto
Found no connections for Cimento to Buffalo mob accept to Turchiarelli and Bianchi

Joe Bianchi
The Bianchi’s were often associated with Rochester faction. See: http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.c ... -list.html In the 70’s/80’s they owned restaurants frequented by the mob in Rochester.

Richard Bianchi is currently chairman of WNY OTB (Off Track Betting) which is being investigated by a Federal Grand Jury. Here is the link: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... igate-otb/ The OTB in WNY has been accused of intimidating witnesses. Here is the article: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... g-witness/

In 1977 Joe Gerace, a Vegas blackjack dealer, was indicted on manslaughter charges in Buffalo.



It appears Joe Gerace had a relationship with Richard Turchiarelli who was also involved in the beating after a engagement party for a Buffalo police officer named Richard Atti See screen shot and this casetext link: https://casetext.com/case/people-v-gramaglia



Is Richard Turchiarelli related to the exBoxer and possible enforcer for the Geraces'? I don't know for sure, but I did dig up a Richard who is related to a Lou but I don't know in what capacity or if it is the same Lou. Does anyone have any information on this?

Joe Gerace is friendly with the Todaro's (if not related to them and the Gerace family in Buffalo.) He signed both Joe Todaro Sr. and Josephine "Nanni T's" obituary guestbooks.



Also of interest is the involvement of tobacco salesman Jack Giammaresi given the Buffalo crime family has had significant involvement in tobacco smuggling in conjunction with the indigenous peoples and their reservations in upstate NY. Also interesting that this incident involved another Buffalo police officer Philip Gramaglia. Perhaps the Gerace family has had a lot of "influence" on law enforcement in WNY.

Here is a link to a WIVB news video of Atti, Giammaresi, & Gramaglia's sentencing: https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/dig ... d/88/rec/1

Here is another interesting piece of information: I Just found another Giammaresi in Fino’s book The Triangle Exit. It appears Tom Giammaresi was a bodyguard and associate of Pieri who, as a BPD Detective, provided Pieri with information about ongoing investigations. Here is what Fino wrote:

Sam Pieri wasted little time in his role as my Buffalo Mafia helmsman and ignoring the orders that he was to communicate with me through his nephew, he introduced me to his bodyguard and close associate, Tom Giammaresi, a Buffalo Police detective who provided him with sensitive information about ongoing investigations. As we sat in the kitchen of the Pieri home (owned by Giammaresi), Sammy told me that he wanted office space for a business that was envisioned by the elder Mafioso and his obedient police officer. The plan was for Giammaresi to form a minority company to take advantage of the current laws that required all state and federal projects to award a percentage to minority-owned contractors and businesses. Enjoying the assistance of the family-controlled Local 210, they decided to take advantage of the proposed multi-million dollar light rail rapid transit project that was a focal point of Buffalo's future and viability. Their idea was to start an equipment leasing company that would make machinery available for the general and subcontractors that would be awarded the massive amount of work.

Think this lends some more support to the idea that the 1977 beating/Joe Gerace, Turchiarelli, Jack Giammaresi connections are mob related, which adds support to the notion that the Gerace family has had a history or relationships with corrupt law enforcement officials.

Also, given Jack Giammaresi being a tobacco salesman and Tom Giammaresi's connection to Pieri I can't help but wonder if Jack was part of Buffalo family trafficking of cigs and tobacco to Canada in cooperation with some corrupt players in the upstate reservations. Anyway, the more I look the more intertwined these old cases seem to be with each other and the current investigation into IOC in Buffalo.

Something else that makes me go MMM?

Found an article from the Journal of Ogdensburg, NY on Tuesday March 7, 1970 that indicates a Buffalo Police Officer named Robert Grisanti was suspended by the Buffalo police because he had been charged with perjury and contempt by the grand jury investigated the Long murder case I've talked about above. Here is the article:



I believe this is the same Robert Grisanti that was commended for his efforts for fighting narcotics traffickers and drug dealers as officer of the year in 1997. (Of interest Bill Henderson of Toronto Police Service was selected for the 1997 Canadian officer of the year.) See article below:



You can see from this Linked-in profile (below) that “Bob” Grisanti would have served BPD for 27 years as stated in The Buffalo News article from 1997 (above).



Additionally, Robert Grisanti was a murder target of Buffalo mob hit man Luciano “AKA Dilly, AKA Dillinger” Spataro who was recently release from prison. He was to be killed for investigating “the drug empire” of Mike Biscotto who operated in what has been called the Graziadei Drug Ring with Spataro.

SEE: https://buffalonews.com/news/informant- ... a2fd0.html Pictures of article below:





SEE ALSO: https://buffalonews.com/news/police-off ... fba6c.html. Pictures of article below:





I should note that Frank J Morrocco was convicted for his role in the Grazaidei Drug ring and is involved with the Lockport and Kenmore debt collection scandal being investigated for its connects to the Buffalo mafia by Federal Law Enforcement right now.

Has the Buffalo mob and Gerace family had it hand in Buffalo law enforcement all this time? Katrina Nigro has made those allegations about Peter Gerace Jr. and the Cheektowaga PD.

Not being made in Buffalo, if all these characters are not, doesnt mean you arent Mafia. AND it doesnt mean they havent been made. Comparable to Chicago and further reasoning how evolution not attrition has changed the organization in modern day America.