Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[Newyorkempire]

Except the present info doesn't support your conclusions. No more than the 2006 bust and ScottB's inflated charts supported people's claims about the Detroit LCN a decade ago. It's why you guys are constantly throwing out "could be's" in your argument. The Buffalo is alive theory is a "Weekend at Bernies" proposition you have to continually prop up with speculation and misinterpreted facts. This is apparently something that some here are only going to be able to understand in hindsight. Though it should be as clear as day to anyone who actually follows this stuff beyond a superficial level.

My bet? In hindsight people are going to think more like this:

I seriously believe that to be what this "Guy" actually looks like. Curtains drawn out in Utah, losing his mind thinking he is The Punisher...

[Wiseguy]

The gullible are thinking that now. We'll see in 5 or 10 years. You'll probably not even be around by then. Once what should already be obvious about Buffalo becomes apparent to you and others, your entire purpose for posting on the forum goes out the window.

On the old forum there was a poster named JohnnyRed who tried to convince people the "Albanian Mafia" was taking over the world. You're the new JohnnyRed.

[Newyorkempire]

"Well see in 5-10 years"....lol. "Guy" still doesnt realize we are in the present. Tries to bring other characters from other forums into the fold to dilute his own inability to tell time and read, priceless.

5-10 years from now United States might annex Mexico and fish will walk on land.

Problem is no one relies on you to tell the truth about Buffalo so your whole logic goes out the window and need to post here goes with it. We don't need you too show us the light. Thats the point.

[Wiseguy]

"Well see in 5-10 years"....lol. "Guy" still doesnt realize we are in the present. Tries to bring other characters from other forums into the fold to dilute his own inability to tell time and read, priceless.

5-10 years from now United States might annex Mexico and fish will walk on land.

Problem is no one relies on you to tell the truth about Buffalo so your whole logic goes out the window and need to post here goes with it. We don't need you too show us the light. Thats the point.

Who's "we?" You keep talking like there's some army behind you. I realize that's the only way you feel brave but c'mon.

I say 5-10 years that's probably how long it's going to take some people on this forum to finally recognize what should already be obvious. It's not my some of you guys are just slow.

The Detroit cheerleaders didn't see it back in 2010. But where are they now? *crickets*

[Newyorkempire]

"Well see in 5-10 years"....lol. "Guy" still doesnt realize we are in the present. Tries to bring other characters from other forums into the fold to dilute his own inability to tell time and read, priceless.

5-10 years from now United States might annex Mexico and fish will walk on land.

Problem is no one relies on you to tell the truth about Buffalo so your whole logic goes out the window and need to post here goes with it. We don't need you too show us the light. Thats the point.

Who's "we?" You keep talking like there's some army behind you. I realize that's the only way you feel brave but c'mon.

I say 5-10 years that's probably how long it's going to take some people on this forum to finally recognize what should already be obvious. It's not my some of you guys are just slow.

The Detroit cheerleaders didn't see it back in 2010. But where are they now? *crickets*

Brave? Army? Lol, Nah. Are you ok? Theres enough though or you wouldnt be saying "you guys". Amazing go to extremes of using words like "army". More delusion. Not sure why you keep hammering home Detroit. I give credit to Bernstein if he says theres still a functioning family there. In 5-10 years well reconvene about Buffalo, ok sounds good, and it will mean nothing because we are in the present. Again, the present, follow along McFly.

[Newyorkempire]

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crim ... op-story-1

- Ex- Local 210 Trustee and named in the Civil RICO case

[antimafia]

[snip]
Convicted hit man denied unescorted passes to the GTA, where he’d killed two while on parole
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/0 ... arole.html

Convicted GTA hit man denied full parole, granted limited release

https://pressreader.com/article/281646783574330

[Wiseguy]

Brave? Army? Lol, Nah. Are you ok? Theres enough though or you wouldnt be saying "you guys". Amazing go to extremes of using words like "army". More delusion. Not sure why you keep hammering home Detroit. I give credit to Bernstein if he says theres still a functioning family there. In 5-10 years well reconvene about Buffalo, ok sounds good, and it will mean nothing because we are in the present. Again, the present, follow along McFly.

Bernstein says a lot of things. If someone told you there was a mob family in Bozeman, Montana you'd believe it.

[Newyorkempire]

Brave? Army? Lol, Nah. Are you ok? Theres enough though or you wouldnt be saying "you guys". Amazing go to extremes of using words like "army". More delusion. Not sure why you keep hammering home Detroit. I give credit to Bernstein if he says theres still a functioning family there. In 5-10 years well reconvene about Buffalo, ok sounds good, and it will mean nothing because we are in the present. Again, the present, follow along McFly.

Bernstein says a lot of things. If someone told you there was a mob family in Bozeman, Montana you'd believe it.

Yes. I would believe it. Utah too. Thanks for clearing that up. Smart.

[scott22]

Burnstein here (not Bernstein);

What was reported in 2006 or 2010 about Detroit LCN that wasn't accurate?

Those numbers were not inflated. There were 40-45 made guys alive. Now, there is probably 20-25, due to a lot of OGs dying. Jack Tocco made a bunch of people in the 2000s.

I've interviewed the underboss (Tony Z), two consiglieres (Dom Bomb, Tony Pal), a capo (Frankie Bomb) and two soldiers (Nove Tocco & Paul Corrado).

I've interviewed nearly every FBI agent and US Atty that has worked OC in Detroit dating back to the 1960s into 2022.

But let's take it from Wiseguy. Burnstein is a lying, manipulative hack who knows nothing of what he reports and is a spreader of fake news.

SMB

[Wiseguy]

Burnstein here (not Bernstein);

What was reported in 2006 or 2010 about Detroit LCN that wasn't accurate?

Those numbers were not inflated. There were 40-45 made guys alive. Now, there is probably 20-25, due to a lot of OGs dying. Jack Tocco made a bunch of people in the 2000s.

I've interviewed the underboss (Tony Z), two consiglieres (Dom Bomb, Tony Pal), a capo (Frankie Bomb) and two soldiers (Nove Tocco & Paul Corrado).

I've interviewed nearly every FBI agent and US Atty that has worked OC in Detroit dating back to the 1960s into 2022.

But let's take it from Wiseguy. Burnstein is a lying, manipulative hack who knows nothing of what he reports and is a spreader of fake news.

SMB

Well, let's look at it...again.

The feds had the family at 23 members in 1984. 26 members in 1985. 26 members in 1990. 28 members in 1993. And 29 members in 1996 at the time of the GamTax bust. In short, a range of 23-29 members from the mid-1980's to the mid-1990's. In your own 2006 book, you said 25 members. Hell, just for the fun of it, let's go with an even 30 members - a number I saw a few times here and there.

Over the past 30 years, I count 28 members who have died. There's been no evidence, outside rumors you alone have reported, that anyone has been made in Detroit in years. Let alone in large numbers. Let alone anywhere near enough to not only replace all the known members who have died, but also make enough to have 40-45 members 10-15 years ago or 20-25 members now. Sorry the math doesn't add up.

Furthermore, look at the other Midwest families. Cleveland, Milwaukee and St. Louis all have a single known member living. Kansas City has maybe half a dozen. Even Chicago has perhaps only 15 or so. But Detroit, who hasn't really had anything approaching a significant case since 2006, is the largest with 20-25 members? I don't think so. I'd bet my left nut they're in single digits.

Don't take it from me. As with Buffalo, look at the math. Look at the relative lack of cases over decades now. There's no getting past that, regardless of what anyone says.

What's wrong with this picture? Something seems...off.

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[Newyorkempire]

Burnstein here (not Bernstein);

What was reported in 2006 or 2010 about Detroit LCN that wasn't accurate?

Those numbers were not inflated. There were 40-45 made guys alive. Now, there is probably 20-25, due to a lot of OGs dying. Jack Tocco made a bunch of people in the 2000s.

I've interviewed the underboss (Tony Z), two consiglieres (Dom Bomb, Tony Pal), a capo (Frankie Bomb) and two soldiers (Nove Tocco & Paul Corrado).

I've interviewed nearly every FBI agent and US Atty that has worked OC in Detroit dating back to the 1960s into 2022.

But let's take it from Wiseguy. Burnstein is a lying, manipulative hack who knows nothing of what he reports and is a spreader of fake news.

SMB

Youre the man Scott. No one cares what bullshit theories he relies on. *Burnstein

[Newyorkempire]

"Wise"guy's evidence is his lack of evidence and not understanding its still a secret society that the FBI isnt fully aware of as history has proven time and time again and that others can know things the FBI doesnt. Hes going through a lot of soul searching so we must be patient.

[NickleCity]

Wiseguy, again, your argument is based on the classic absence of evidence fallacy. There has not been...there has been little... therefor there is none or little.

Yes, this line of reasoning can be true but it does not prove the truth thereof. And because your logical fallacy does not prove anything, I am going to believe a recognized journalist and author over your faulty logic.

Further, this proves a point I've made numerous times on this forum: We all interpret events thru the lens of our personal experience! And whether you realize it or not, you do too!

Admit it! Embrace It!

... Cause when you do, you will realize you could be wrong - like the rest of us realize there is a chance we are wrong. That alone would make your much more bearable to deal with on this board and a much better poster.

Let me explain how each and every one of us are influenced by our experience, including you!

I do not share your long experience on this board an experience that has jaded your thought process against recognizing even the possibility that someone's personal experience may be correct. So I am open to the possibility there is truth in what others say-even when it comes to their personal experience.

On the other hand you have been "traumatized" by your experience with people who use the "location card" to suggest mafia families are larger than they are or you think they are. For example, you dismiss Scott because you do not share his personal experience which has included talking with many people who should know. Something I don't believe you've experienced.

What you fail to see is your personal experience has guided your logic and thought process to the point where you cannot acknowledge your experience could be wrong and another's right. And, isn't this the thing your rail against on this board--people who think their personal experience makes them right?

You do the exact same thing you get all over others for doing, and you don't see it. SMH!

[Newyorkempire]

Wiseguy, again, your argument is based on the classic absence of evidence fallacy. There has not been...there has been little... therefor there is none or little.

Yes, this line of reasoning can be true but it does not prove the truth thereof. And because your logical fallacy does not prove anything, I am going to believe a recognized journalist and author over your faulty logic.

Further, this proves a point I've made numerous times on this forum: We all interpret events thru the lens of our personal experience! And whether you realize it or not, you do too!

Admit it! Embrace It!

... Cause when you do, you will realize you could be wrong - like the rest of us realize there is a chance we are wrong. That alone would make your much more bearable to deal with on this board and a much better poster.

Let me explain how each and every one of us are influenced by our experience, including you!

I do not share your long experience on this board an experience that has jaded your thought process against recognizing even the possibility that someone's personal experience may be correct. So I am open to the possibility there is truth in what others say-even when it comes to their personal experience.

On the other hand you have been "traumatized" by your experience with people who use the "location card" to suggest mafia families are larger than they are or you think they are. For example, you dismiss Scott because you do not share his personal experience which has included talking with many people who should know. Something I don't believe you've experienced.

What you fail to see is your personal experience has guided your logic and thought process to the point where you cannot acknowledge your experience could be wrong and another's right. And, isn't this the thing your rail against on this board--people who think their personal experience makes them right?

You do the exact same thing you get all over others for doing, and you don't see it. SMH!

Well said. He still wont get it though.