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Stefano Magaddino talking about being schooled in mafia politics by Schiro (the "representative" / rappresentante) and told about Manfredi Mineo and Fortunato LoMonte:
- This probably means Magaddino was inducted before May 1914 when LoMonte was killed. If he's indicating he was made at 17 (or at least started to understand the politics) that would be around 1908.
- He also says "may his soul rest in peace" about his friend Gaspare Milazzo like he does for LoMonte, so he seems to have a favorable memory of LoMonte (Magaddino doesn't mince words when he dislikes someone and he dislikes many people).
- In the May 2014 Informer article, they discuss how the former Morello Family was temporarily under the authority of Bonanno boss / interim capo dei capi Sebastiano DiGaetano in 1912, at which point Fortunato LoMonte was elected boss. Could be an indication LoMonte developed a favorable relationship with the DiGaetano/Bonanno group and had their blessing to take over.
- The Informer article (via Clemente) also identifies Schiro as an ally of Mineo and LoMonte against D'Aquila circa 1914. If Magaddino was made around that time or before, it makes sense he references Schiro telling him about Mineo and LoMonte (and has a favorable opinion of LoMonte) given they were allies of his Family in the war going on at the time.
- Last part indicates Magaddino himself may have experienced trouble as a young rising star around that time, maybe related to the war. On another transcript he says he was capodecina at one point under a boss with a mustache, maybe Schiro. A Francesco/Ciccio was also a capodecina.
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Magaddino praising Frank Garofalo, disparaging Giovanni Bonventre, and using the term "house" for Family:
- This probably means Magaddino was inducted before May 1914 when LoMonte was killed. If he's indicating he was made at 17 (or at least started to understand the politics) that would be around 1908.
- He also says "may his soul rest in peace" about his friend Gaspare Milazzo like he does for LoMonte, so he seems to have a favorable memory of LoMonte (Magaddino doesn't mince words when he dislikes someone and he dislikes many people).
- In the May 2014 Informer article, they discuss how the former Morello Family was temporarily under the authority of Bonanno boss / interim capo dei capi Sebastiano DiGaetano in 1912, at which point Fortunato LoMonte was elected boss. Could be an indication LoMonte developed a favorable relationship with the DiGaetano/Bonanno group and had their blessing to take over.
- The Informer article (via Clemente) also identifies Schiro as an ally of Mineo and LoMonte against D'Aquila circa 1914. If Magaddino was made around that time or before, it makes sense he references Schiro telling him about Mineo and LoMonte (and has a favorable opinion of LoMonte) given they were allies of his Family in the war going on at the time.
- Last part indicates Magaddino himself may have experienced trouble as a young rising star around that time, maybe related to the war. On another transcript he says he was capodecina at one point under a boss with a mustache, maybe Schiro. A Francesco/Ciccio was also a capodecina.
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Magaddino praising Frank Garofalo, disparaging Giovanni Bonventre, and using the term "house" for Family:
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Monday, March 25, 1912 Clemente reports that Schiro has just replaced DiGaetano. This likely happened over the weekend.
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Cecala wrote his cousin from prison, turns out to be Giuseppe Cesoli.
DiGaetano put Clemente on a "committee of one" to ascertain if Cesoli was an informant. Likely an early member.
DiGaetano put Clemente on a "committee of one" to ascertain if Cesoli was an informant. Likely an early member.
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Great details. Just remembered Domenico and John DioGuardi of the Lucchese worked for Empire Yeast and came from Baucina like Nino Cecala -- makes sense given he was the president.
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- He told the FBI he lived in Chicago when he married a woman from Buffalo in 1930 then moved there because of that the following year. Her surname was Romano, so interesting CC pointed out Ignazio Vaccaro from Canicatti was connected to a Romano in NYC then moved to WNY.
- Carlisi was recorded telling Magaddino his cousin Joseph "Joe Frisco" Gentile was murdered in Chicago (November 8 1961) and Carlisi visited Chicago soon after. He told the FBI this was his stepcousin, son of father's stepbrother.
Has the Carlisis' father been linked to the mob? Both brothers separated while they were young yet both got made and became high-ranking members in different cities.
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Couple things on Roy Carlisi I found:PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:13 pmGood info here. Canicatti jumped out to me, as the Carlisis and Tornabenes in Chicago (and Buffalo) were from Canicatti. The Carlisis arrived in the 1900s via NYC, then went to Chicago, and then Gloversville, NY before moving on to Buffalo and then back to Chicago. It seems pretty clear to me that their families were closely connected to Buffalo (and of course, Roy Carlisi was a member), but there seems to have been a colony of Canicattesi around Gloversville (Fulton County), so it's very interesting to see confirmation of Vaccaro relocating to Upstate NY.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:37 pm Ignazio Vaccaro is likely an early member. Counterfeiter well connected, from Canicatti, lived on E39. Wasn't Gotti friends with a Vaccaro?
Vaccaro, Ignazio immrec 1906Apr27 L1 Crossed Out.jpg
Vaccaro, Ignazio 1910 US NY Census - Manhattan E 39th St.jpg
Relocated to Rochester by 1930.
Connected to Salvatore Romano-
vaccaro romano.PNG
Many decades later, in 1983, we have Al Tornabene at Aiuppa's side presiding over a traditional induction ceremony in Chicago. After looking into their family my assumption has been that they were from a mafia lineage, probably going back to Canicatti.
- He told the FBI he lived in Chicago when he married a woman from Buffalo in 1930 then moved there because of that the following year. Her surname was Romano, so interesting CC pointed out Ignazio Vaccaro from Canicatti was connected to a Romano in NYC then moved to WNY.
- Carlisi was recorded telling Magaddino his cousin Joseph "Joe Frisco" Gentile was murdered in Chicago (November 8 1961) and Carlisi visited Chicago soon after. He told the FBI this was his stepcousin, son of father's stepbrother.
Has the Carlisis' father been linked to the mob? Both brothers separated while they were young yet both got made and became high-ranking members in different cities.
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Speaking of Schiro's 1912 election here is what a 1958 Newark informant said about him being removed from power. Posted this a couple years ago. Report also mentions Schiro's close ties to CA bosses Frank Lanza and the Desimones, including a 1947 letter between Schiro and Frank Desimone.
Wonder what Newark figure would know this kind of stuff about Schiro in 1958? Even if some of it's questionable, it's very specific knowledge of him -- where he operated in Brooklyn, that he was removed from power in ~1929, and had close ties to Frank Lanza in SF.
Wonder what Newark figure would know this kind of stuff about Schiro in 1958? Even if some of it's questionable, it's very specific knowledge of him -- where he operated in Brooklyn, that he was removed from power in ~1929, and had close ties to Frank Lanza in SF.
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Sam and Roy had two additional brothers in Chicago that may have been made and were at the very least connected -- Carmen/Carmine and Alphonso. Carmen died in the early 70s and Alphonso died in 1989. Carmen was the much more heavily involved of the two in organized crime. His father, Joe, ran a tavern in the Chicago area in the 1960s called the Silver Tavern. At some point in time he had served two months in prison at Terre Haute in 1948. I also believe the father had some physical ailments that prevented him from working full time.B. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:28 am Great details. Just remembered Domenico and John DioGuardi of the Lucchese worked for Empire Yeast and came from Baucina like Nino Cecala -- makes sense given he was the president.
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Couple things on Roy Carlisi I found:PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:13 pmGood info here. Canicatti jumped out to me, as the Carlisis and Tornabenes in Chicago (and Buffalo) were from Canicatti. The Carlisis arrived in the 1900s via NYC, then went to Chicago, and then Gloversville, NY before moving on to Buffalo and then back to Chicago. It seems pretty clear to me that their families were closely connected to Buffalo (and of course, Roy Carlisi was a member), but there seems to have been a colony of Canicattesi around Gloversville (Fulton County), so it's very interesting to see confirmation of Vaccaro relocating to Upstate NY.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:37 pm Ignazio Vaccaro is likely an early member. Counterfeiter well connected, from Canicatti, lived on E39. Wasn't Gotti friends with a Vaccaro?
Vaccaro, Ignazio immrec 1906Apr27 L1 Crossed Out.jpg
Vaccaro, Ignazio 1910 US NY Census - Manhattan E 39th St.jpg
Relocated to Rochester by 1930.
Connected to Salvatore Romano-
vaccaro romano.PNG
Many decades later, in 1983, we have Al Tornabene at Aiuppa's side presiding over a traditional induction ceremony in Chicago. After looking into their family my assumption has been that they were from a mafia lineage, probably going back to Canicatti.
- He told the FBI he lived in Chicago when he married a woman from Buffalo in 1930 then moved there because of that the following year. Her surname was Romano, so interesting CC pointed out Ignazio Vaccaro from Canicatti was connected to a Romano in NYC then moved to WNY.
- Carlisi was recorded telling Magaddino his cousin Joseph "Joe Frisco" Gentile was murdered in Chicago (November 8 1961) and Carlisi visited Chicago soon after. He told the FBI this was his stepcousin, son of father's stepbrother.
Has the Carlisis' father been linked to the mob? Both brothers separated while they were young yet both got made and became high-ranking members in different cities.
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Have you come across the Gentiles? Joe Gentile's death record says his parents were Sam and Mary Gentile, so Sam Gentile was Joe Carlisi's stepbrother. Joe Gentile was born 1910 in New York State -- don't know if NYC or WNY. Something was going on if a 51-year-old stepcousin of the Carlisis got killed in Chicago and Roy told his boss and flew out there.
Roy Carlisi's marriage sounds arranged if he was living in Chicago and she was in Buffalo. Bill Feather has his father-in-law(?) Calogero Romano from Pietraperzia as a possible Buffalo member, not sure where he got that but doesn't seem far-fetched.
Roy Carlisi's marriage sounds arranged if he was living in Chicago and she was in Buffalo. Bill Feather has his father-in-law(?) Calogero Romano from Pietraperzia as a possible Buffalo member, not sure where he got that but doesn't seem far-fetched.
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Roy Carlisi was born in Chicago in 1909 and then moved back there with his parents after the family seems to have caught some heat in Buffalo. Here’s what I had in the Chicago Origins thread:B. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:28 am Great details. Just remembered Domenico and John DioGuardi of the Lucchese worked for Empire Yeast and came from Baucina like Nino Cecala -- makes sense given he was the president.
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Couple things on Roy Carlisi I found:PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:13 pmGood info here. Canicatti jumped out to me, as the Carlisis and Tornabenes in Chicago (and Buffalo) were from Canicatti. The Carlisis arrived in the 1900s via NYC, then went to Chicago, and then Gloversville, NY before moving on to Buffalo and then back to Chicago. It seems pretty clear to me that their families were closely connected to Buffalo (and of course, Roy Carlisi was a member), but there seems to have been a colony of Canicattesi around Gloversville (Fulton County), so it's very interesting to see confirmation of Vaccaro relocating to Upstate NY.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:37 pm Ignazio Vaccaro is likely an early member. Counterfeiter well connected, from Canicatti, lived on E39. Wasn't Gotti friends with a Vaccaro?
Vaccaro, Ignazio immrec 1906Apr27 L1 Crossed Out.jpg
Vaccaro, Ignazio 1910 US NY Census - Manhattan E 39th St.jpg
Relocated to Rochester by 1930.
Connected to Salvatore Romano-
vaccaro romano.PNG
Many decades later, in 1983, we have Al Tornabene at Aiuppa's side presiding over a traditional induction ceremony in Chicago. After looking into their family my assumption has been that they were from a mafia lineage, probably going back to Canicatti.
- He told the FBI he lived in Chicago when he married a woman from Buffalo in 1930 then moved there because of that the following year. Her surname was Romano, so interesting CC pointed out Ignazio Vaccaro from Canicatti was connected to a Romano in NYC then moved to WNY.
- Carlisi was recorded telling Magaddino his cousin Joseph "Joe Frisco" Gentile was murdered in Chicago (November 8 1961) and Carlisi visited Chicago soon after. He told the FBI this was his stepcousin, son of father's stepbrother.
Has the Carlisis' father been linked to the mob? Both brothers separated while they were young yet both got made and became high-ranking members in different cities.
PolackTony wrote: Later, the Carlisis moved to Western NY, where Roy Carlisi stayed and became a member of the Buffalo family. In the 1930s, Sam moved to Chicago Chicago with his parents, where they lived on Polk near Cicero in West Garfield Park in 1940. Prior to his return to Chicago, Giuseppe Carlisi was apparently questioned along with his son Roy about a murder in Buffalo. in 1937, Giuseppe Carlisi was arrested along with sons Roy and Alfonso for operating a still in Cicero (Alfonso Carlisi was born 1913 in Chicago and in 1940 was residing in Cicero). Seems like a good bet that Giuseppe Carlisi may have also been a mafia member.
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Sam lived a couple of years in California, too. This may have been when he was in the Coast Guard during WWII.
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Two early members of the Arcuri Gambino Crew while Vincenzo LoCicero was running it- Grisafi and Mule
D'Aquila used LoCicero's house to call what appears his first meeting as BOB-
D'Aquila used LoCicero's house to call what appears his first meeting as BOB-
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Does the name at the bottom of the last one say "Arcario"? Looks close to Arcuri though the well-known ones weren't in NYC yet.
Pellegrino Mule was an early NYC "black hand" leader w/ his son during this period, came from Caltabellotta, Agrigento where he was said to have been active before the US. NYC and NJ DeCavalcantes also came from there. Pasquale LoLordo married a Mule from Caltabellotta and lived in NYC before Chicago. Interesting given the LoCiceros were basically from Ribera and Joe Arcuri was the DeCavalcante liaison.
Pellegrino Mule was an early NYC "black hand" leader w/ his son during this period, came from Caltabellotta, Agrigento where he was said to have been active before the US. NYC and NJ DeCavalcantes also came from there. Pasquale LoLordo married a Mule from Caltabellotta and lived in NYC before Chicago. Interesting given the LoCiceros were basically from Ribera and Joe Arcuri was the DeCavalcante liaison.
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1908 articles on Pellegrino Mule.
- A" chief" with "henchmen" in Caltabellotta involved with extortion, kidnapping, and murders in Sicily.
- Allegedly murdered a man in Sciacca in 1896.
- Mother and and a priest attempted a pay-off in Palermo for his murder charge so he could return to Sicily.
- Brother-in-law "Trassicanti" was probably named Trafficante. Informed on Mule to Detective Petrosino.
- Son Calogero Mule active w/ him in NYC.
- A" chief" with "henchmen" in Caltabellotta involved with extortion, kidnapping, and murders in Sicily.
- Allegedly murdered a man in Sciacca in 1896.
- Mother and and a priest attempted a pay-off in Palermo for his murder charge so he could return to Sicily.
- Brother-in-law "Trassicanti" was probably named Trafficante. Informed on Mule to Detective Petrosino.
- Son Calogero Mule active w/ him in NYC.
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I think you're right that this was during his Coast Guard service.
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Which brings me to wonder is Grisafi became a member rather than transferred his membership. Considering his name had to he passed around, Gentile never mentioned that as part of the process when he transferred to Schiro over the objections of LoCicero.
So by 1910 we can ID at least 4 Gambino crews in the city
1) East Harlem- Castellanos
2) East 39- LoCicero (Arcuri crew)
3) East 12- Virzi (Riccobono-Scalise)
4) Little Italy- DiMino (Corrao)
Re. Arcario, he was an SS Agent. Not connected.
So by 1910 we can ID at least 4 Gambino crews in the city
1) East Harlem- Castellanos
2) East 39- LoCicero (Arcuri crew)
3) East 12- Virzi (Riccobono-Scalise)
4) Little Italy- DiMino (Corrao)
Re. Arcario, he was an SS Agent. Not connected.