Boston sports betting bust

[Pogo The Clown]

Every so called "street guy" that has ever been on these forums has been exposed over time. Either as outright bullshiters or vastly exagerating their knowledge and position. The "I'm a street guy and your not" and the "I know, take my word for it" stuff just doesn't cut it anymore for most of us.


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Pogo

[FriendofHenry]

I believe I know one of these fellows that AG is referring to

[AG777]

I have seen those wannabes that you are referring to. But Pogo you do have to admit that there are guys, maybe just a handful, that do have inside knowledge that you cannot get from a book or an article. And they do come on the forums.

[FriendofHenry]

Every so called "street guy" that has ever been on these forums has been exposed over time. Either as outright bullshiters or vastly exagerating their knowledge and position. The "I'm a street guy and your not" and the "I know, take my word for it" stuff just doesn't cut it anymore for most of us.


P.S. Check out my new rap.


Pogo

I guess original pictures of some "old street guy" with the main players at the time of an area LCN doesn't count ;-( Maybe because it's wasn't a big city group?

[Pogo The Clown]

I like you FriendofHenry. You've never bullshited us or tried to exaggerate or pass yourself off as something more. I wouldn't put you in the category I'm talking about up above.


Pogo

[Cheech]

Not sure why I am in that category. But whatever. I forgot more about bookmaking then you know about Nazism.
The Feds made an error it happens. Graziano does not own the largest PPH site online. It didn't get shut down. Thousands upon thousands of players use it and for post up as we'll. it trades on donbest and soodds. The owner of eag is not even in America. It's owned by another online book. Like they all are. A guy like a Brenehy would never ever be kicking to the owner of a PPH. It's sounds silly. The PPH makes telephone numbers just off of the use of the site. They don't need to book.
It's guaranteed money.
But. You guys know all this.

Deuces. Taking the ball and going home. I said "ok" and "you're right" yet you drag me back in. Everyone has to be right so no one will ever learn anything. Good luck with the charts.

[Five Felonies]

i think we also need to make a distinction between people disagreeing with the fbi or other law enforcement agencies on smaller things such as a guy being made or not or in this case who owns/operates a betting site with the silly claims of the past like pittsburg having 20+ members and other shit like that. like it or not, law enforcement is not perfect and if they were there would be no organized crime. i get the practice of going with the official cover, but at he same time it gets annoying when the most recent fbi headline it taken as 100% correct and everything else is just dismissed, especially in these types of cases where the claims going against the official story are far from outrageous.

[Pogo The Clown]

Not sure why I am in that category.

I actually was speaking generally. However it is funny you coming on here saying 'you live it'. That immediately got a chuckle out of me considering all the people that have come on here claiming to be mobsters.


Pogo

[NickyEyes1]

Not sure why I am in that category.

I actually was speaking generally. However it is funny you coming on here saying 'you live it'. That immediately got a chuckle out of me considering all the people that have come on here claiming to be mobsters.


Pogo

All due respect pogo, you're one of the top contributors on this site. But when it comes to bookmaking I'm gonna take the word of cheech over you. He clearly knows his shit and there's a lot more to it then the reports you read online. He's proved himself time and time again on the subject.

[Pogo The Clown]

Ok lets say he knows about bookmaking. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? I never even said anything about bookmaking.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Ok lets say he knows about bookmaking. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? I never even said anything about bookmaking.


Pogo

Not only that but it's not Cheech's word vs Pogo's. Or Cheech's word vs Wiseguy's.

It's Cheech's word vs the Feds and information presented in court.

And this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Why are so many here so quick to give Cheech the benefit of the doubt while so quick to think the Feds could be mistaken? Especially those who have been on these boards for years and have seen bullshiters come and go like Pogo and I have.

Maybe if they knew who Cheech was but my guess is they dont. Maybe if Cheech had provided more information about how and why he could be in a position to know what he's claiming. But he hasnt. Just that "lives it" and he's here to tell us all about it online.

Bottom line, up to this point in this thread, there is NO reason to believe Cheech over the Feds. None. Zero. Zilch.

Seriously, some of you guys want so much to believe we have inside info that you'll throw all common sense out the window. But oh well. There's always been people like this on the boards and there always will be.

[Dellacroce]

Ok lets say he knows about bookmaking. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? I never even said anything about bookmaking.


Pogo

Not only that but it's not Cheech's word vs Pogo's. Or Cheech's word vs Wiseguy's.

It's Cheech's word vs the Feds and information presented in court.

And this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Why are so many here so quick to give Cheech the benefit of the doubt while so quick to think the Feds could be mistaken? Especially those who have been on these boards for years and have seen bullshiters come and go like Pogo and I have.

Maybe if they knew who Cheech was but my guess is they dont. Maybe if Cheech had provided more information about how and why he could be in a position to know what he's claiming. But he hasnt. Just that "lives it" and he's here to tell us all about it online.

Bottom line, up to this point in this thread, there is NO reason to believe Cheech over the Feds. None. Zero. Zilch.

Seriously, some of you guys want so much to believe we have inside info that you'll throw all common sense out the window. But oh well. There's always been people like this on the boards and there always will be.

Don't we all know who cheech is? I seem to recall him posting his facebook page in the past, and on a separate occasion on the old board posted his full name and phone number in a heated beef with Jbell.

this ofcourse has nothing to do with the argument at hand, it just reminded me of it and I though it was kinda funny.

[joeycigars]

Every so called "street guy" that has ever been on these forums has been exposed over time. Either as outright bullshiters or vastly exagerating their knowledge and position. The "I'm a street guy and your not" and the "I know, take my word for it" stuff just doesn't cut it anymore for most of us.


P.S. Check out my new rap.


Pogo

+1

[AG777]

Ok lets say he knows about bookmaking. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? I never even said anything about bookmaking.


Pogo

Not only that but it's not Cheech's word vs Pogo's. Or Cheech's word vs Wiseguy's.

It's Cheech's word vs the Feds and information presented in court.

And this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Why are so many here so quick to give Cheech the benefit of the doubt while so quick to think the Feds could be mistaken? Especially those who have been on these boards for years and have seen bullshiters come and go like Pogo and I have.

Maybe if they knew who Cheech was but my guess is they dont. Maybe if Cheech had provided more information about how and why he could be in a position to know what he's claiming. But he hasnt. Just that "lives it" and he's here to tell us all about it online.

Bottom line, up to this point in this thread, there is NO reason to believe Cheech over the Feds. None. Zero. Zilch.

Seriously, some of you guys want so much to believe we have inside info that you'll throw all common sense out the window. But oh well. There's always been people like this on the boards and there always will be.

Do you want to know why we believe Cheech? Some of us go by someone's word and rep. Now, on the street all you got is your reputation. So if you have been around street guys like some of us have and that life you take the guy's WORD for it. Your word and rep is EVERYTHING, It's all you got. That's why it's hard for most researchers to believe these guys They don't come to you with facts on paper. But you researchers should not DISMISS what they have to say. It's information.

Ivy you don't feel comfortable with taking the guys word for it and that's okay. You firmly believe what the FBI documents as completely true while at times some of us question them. Also, Cheech is not a wannabe or a bullshitter. His reputation on the boards shows us this. Nobody is wrong here. Let's get that straight. Telling people what they should and should not believe is much too complicated.

I like you Ivy so I'm just trying to answer your question. You do make an excellent point about why throw common sense out the window to trust somebody's WORD. Well, it's part of our upbringing to do so, it's instilled in us. Hope that makes sense.

[AG777]

And we don't throw common sense out the window but we you know what I mean ha ha