John No Nose Difronzos fbi files released...

[Coloboy]

And lord did that guy have a huge pile of legit businesses. Something like 9 car dealerships, a garbage company, a construction biz, and dog tracks mentioned, and I’m sure he owned plenty of real estate.

[Snakes]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

[Villain]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

I also think that DiFronzo was the boss from 1993 until 1997 with Andriacchi and Monteleone acting during certain time periods. We must not forget about the rumors regarding some tensions being present at the time between the EP\Northwest group and the Chinatown/South Side group.

[SolarSolano]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

I also think that DiFronzo was the boss from 1993 until 1997 with Andriacchi and Monteleone acting during certain time periods. We must not forget about the rumors regarding some tensions being present at the time between the EP\Northwest group and the Chinatown/South Side group.

Wasn't Frank Calabrese Sr. confirming "Joey from the West" (Joey A) had the spot within the prison recordings with Frank Jr. around the 2000 timeframe? He was saying Joey from the East (Lombardo) and Joey from the West (Andriacchi) if I'm not mistaken and described the Christmas Tree structure the Outfit was continuing to maintain. I tend to think some of these instances could have been more or less panel-type structures based on who was on the street.

[Coloboy]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

[Villain]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

DiFronzo probably took Ricca's/Accardos position....the West Side faction was always the leading group, besides guys like Monteleone and Tornabene having the boss position during certain time periods.

[Pete]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

According to the spano court documents for the Cicero scam, spano identified monteleone as the boss starting in 1995

[Snakes]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

According to the spano court documents for the Cicero scam, spano identified monteleone as the boss starting in 1995

I think 1997 was just an estimation on our part (although Antiliar may have gotten that year from Magnafichi). It's very possible that Monteleone was acting for DiFronzo as early as 1995.

[Villain]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

According to the spano court documents for the Cicero scam, spano identified monteleone as the boss starting in 1995

Thats right and thats why I previously mentioned that Monteleone or Andriacchi acted during one period. Spano belonged to the so-called south group and thats why he saw Monteleone as his personal boss and also boss of the Outfit (according to Spanos own words)

[Villain]

IMO….the guy remained the top guy until sometime between 2009-2012. After his appeal release in 94, seems he pretty much stopped directly involving himself in street rackets, and after 2000 or so it seems he pretty much only discussed outfit business with his brother as a filter. That’s a recipe for evading prosecution for sure. You can still call the major shots and get tribute, but not have to be directly involved in rackets.

The succession line after him is damn tough to piece together. Many sources say Joey A got that spot at least for a few years ( if he still doesn’t technically have it), and then?? Who knows.

A couple of months ago, we pieced together a succession line from various sources. Now, it should be noted that this does not include guys like Accardo who did not have a "street presence" but were still influential or had some level of authority over Outfit affairs. It could be argued that DiFronzo held that position for some period of time but his true level of influence post-2000 remains in question. Some of us have also postulated that Andriacchi is now in a similar position as DiFronzo and Accardo before him.

Succession line of Outfit bosses:
1986-1992: Sam Carlisi (imprisoned)
Street Boss 1989/1990 to 1992: John DiFronzo
1992 to 1997: John DiFronzo (stepped down)
Acting 1992/1993 to 1994: Joe Andriacchi
1997 to 2001: John Monteleone (died)
2001 to 2003: Al Tornabene (stepped down)
2003 to 2005: James Marcello (imprisoned)
2005 to 2010: Mike Sarno (imprisoned)
2010 to Present: Unknown

According to the spano court documents for the Cicero scam, spano identified monteleone as the boss starting in 1995

Thats right and thats why I previously mentioned that Monteleone or Andriacchi acted during one period. Spano belonged to the so-called south group and thats why he saw Monteleone as his personal boss and also boss of the Outfit (according to Spanos own words)

....in addition, it is also possible that at the same time Joey A was supported as boss by his own crew and also by the Grand Av group which was headed by Joey L and Centracchio or the so-called Northwest group. This also might explain the alleged tensions between the two factions (South vs Northwest) during that particular time period. I say "that particular time period" because by 1997/98 both factions were allegedly on good terms. Later the conflict switched between the Cicero/Chinatown and Cicero/MP crews and obviously the Cicero/South crew won the war and the old Aiuppa-Carlisi-Marcello crew became non-existent.

[Patrickgold]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

What are the details of the meeting with Panozzo? I don’t remember hearing this. Where did it come out that they met? Also, who did Carparelli beat up?

[Snakes]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

What are the details of the meeting with Panozzo? I don’t remember hearing this. Where did it come out that they met? Also, who did Carparelli beat up?

Burnstein said there was federal surveillance of DiFronzo meeting in Chicago with Albert Vena, Tony Zizzo, Panozzo, and Jeff Hollingshead in the "weeks leading up to Zizzo's disappearance in 2006."

[Coloboy]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

What are the details of the meeting with Panozzo? I don’t remember hearing this. Where did it come out that they met? Also, who did Carparelli beat up?

Carparelli was going to break the legs of a debtor. However, he thought (incorrectly) , that the debtor had a relationship with Difronzo, therefore he was worried about touching him. It was originally a sun times article, but here is a link to the one that I could find.

https://www.vfpress.news/articles/event ... urce-fair/

My point in bringing that up was to illustrate that Carparelli, a Cicero guy, still had respect/fear of Difronzo, so It is one of a few tiny hints that no nose was still involved.

With the modern day outfit, it seems to me the only real hints you can get are from the very few wire taps/recorded conversations that exist. You have to read between the lines a bit. For example, I always felt that Steve Mandell going to Albert Vena for permission to kill someone was a clue that the Elmwood Park and Grand Avenue factions had indeed been combined as has been suggested on this site. Historically, Mandell was an EP guy . However, in 2010 or so he went to vena for permission.

[SolarSolano]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

What are the details of the meeting with Panozzo? I don’t remember hearing this. Where did it come out that they met? Also, who did Carparelli beat up?

Burnstein said there was federal surveillance of DiFronzo meeting in Chicago with Albert Vena, Tony Zizzo, Panozzo, and Jeff Hollingshead in the "weeks leading up to Zizzo's disappearance in 2006."

I think some of that was more conjecture - he was trying to make Hollingshead out to be a bigger threat than he was. I really don't think Hollingshead knew the DiFronzo's - certainly not his wife.

[SolarSolano]

Agreed that DiFronzo‘s level of influence post 2000 is still murky, but I think we have enough general evidence to show that he was still very influential, if not officially the top boss. I mainly thinking of the reports of Sarno kicking tribute up to him, Carparelli fearing retribution from him for potentially beating up an acquaintance of his, the meeting with Panozzo and others prior to Zizzos disappearance, and the meeting captured by Chuck Goudie with Marco D’Amico, his brothers, and others in 2009. that all certainly points to somebody who was still involved in my opinion.

What are the details of the meeting with Panozzo? I don’t remember hearing this. Where did it come out that they met? Also, who did Carparelli beat up?

Carparelli was going to break the legs of a debtor. However, he thought (incorrectly) , that the debtor had a relationship with Difronzo, therefore he was worried about touching him. It was originally a sun times article, but here is a link to the one that I could find.

https://www.vfpress.news/articles/event ... urce-fair/

My point in bringing that up was to illustrate that Carparelli, a Cicero guy, still had respect/fear of Difronzo, so It is one of a few tiny hints that no nose was still involved.

With the modern day outfit, it seems to me the only real hints you can get are from the very few wire taps/recorded conversations that exist. You have to read between the lines a bit. For example, I always felt that Steve Mandell going to Albert Vena for permission to kill someone was a clue that the Elmwood Park and Grand Avenue factions had indeed been combined as has been suggested on this site. Historically, Mandell was an EP guy . However, in 2010 or so he went to vena for permission.

The guy RJ Serpico who Carparelli was going to beat up was the nephew of the Melrose Park Mayor - the Mayor's brother was into Mickey Davis for $300K. This is like five fucking years ago it shows the Outfit is that juiced in Melrose - RJ works for Al Piemonte now