Gambino family Paul murder

[CornerBoy]

those 4? wow. didn;t know sal scala pulled the trigger. who else was on the scene?

Backup shooters were Joe Watts, Tony Roach, Dom Pizzonia and Angelo Ruggiero.

Tony roach was on the scene? i guess he was detoxed at the time!
Would suck going through withdrawals while trying to kill someone in rush hour on 44th street

[Browniety86]

ive come around to the theory gravano wasnt at the scene.why would gotti be there with a soldier from another crew who wasnt even in frank deciccos crew. i mean frank could have just told him everything and he could have read the papers. ive also come around on alot of sammy bullshit. it was gottis crew who killed paul, louie milito,dibono.

Junior got the DiBono contract...Charlie Carneglia clipped him I think

[Pmac2]

The shooters are bobby borriello and charles carneg peopl from gottis crew. Ya they where technically in jr gottis crew but they botg started with john sr

[AquaPassa]

Shockingly, GRusso doesn’t place himself as knowing about this ahead of time. I’m guessing only because he was close with TB.

[HairyKnuckles]

Joe "The Cat" Laforte Sr was put under Tommy Bilotti right after Dellacroce´s death. So for a very short time, LaForte was under DeCicco.

[newera_212]

I've been listening to Sammy's podcast here and there, not as frequent as some of the other shows that are out. I've read Underboss too (actually reading Underboss when it dropped back when I was younger kinda got me started on being interested in LCN in general). I still don't understand how and why Sammy was on board with the hit. I mean, like I've said - I've heard some of his Podcasts including the one where they cover the conspiracy. MOST of the stuff he says about Paul is positive. He said he had a lot of admiration for him and respected him, etc. - I can't believe that conceding some contracting companies to the Genovese and letting a Captain get killed made Sammy do a complete 180. I'm sure I could go back and listen closer and maybe figure it out, but by all accounts Sammy was a "Castellano Faction" member ... what caused it? Was it DeCicco? I also think the whole "We'll let John be boss for a year and if he doesn't work out, we'll kill him and run the family ourselves" thing is bullshit and revisionist history as well. Despite the down-to-earth, laid back persona and stories of honor, etc. - maybe Sammy really was a greedy as rumored.

[Wiseguy]

I've been listening to Sammy's podcast here and there, not as frequent as some of the other shows that are out. I've read Underboss too (actually reading Underboss when it dropped back when I was younger kinda got me started on being interested in LCN in general). I still don't understand how and why Sammy was on board with the hit. I mean, like I've said - I've heard some of his Podcasts including the one where they cover the conspiracy. MOST of the stuff he says about Paul is positive. He said he had a lot of admiration for him and respected him, etc. - I can't believe that conceding some contracting companies to the Genovese and letting a Captain get killed made Sammy do a complete 180. I'm sure I could go back and listen closer and maybe figure it out, but by all accounts Sammy was a "Castellano Faction" member ... what caused it? Was it DeCicco? I also think the whole "We'll let John be boss for a year and if he doesn't work out, we'll kill him and run the family ourselves" thing is bullshit and revisionist history as well. Despite the down-to-earth, laid back persona and stories of honor, etc. - maybe Sammy really was a greedy as rumored.

It was probably a combination of things. Paul giving away business to the Genovese, allowing them to kill a Gambino captain, the way Paul fraternized with "the help," his complementing law enforcement going on domestic dispute calls, his greed, etc. didn't exactly endear him to Gravano or other subordinates. Gravano recognized the ways Paul was a good boss. A very smart businessman. But Gravano had more respect for the "gangsters" than the "racketeers" (a distinction he often makes) and, once he saw the gangsters making a move, it didn't take him long to jump on board.

[Pogo The Clown]

I've been listening to Sammy's podcast here and there, not as frequent as some of the other shows that are out. I've read Underboss too (actually reading Underboss when it dropped back when I was younger kinda got me started on being interested in LCN in general). I still don't understand how and why Sammy was on board with the hit. I mean, like I've said - I've heard some of his Podcasts including the one where they cover the conspiracy. MOST of the stuff he says about Paul is positive. He said he had a lot of admiration for him and respected him, etc. - I can't believe that conceding some contracting companies to the Genovese and letting a Captain get killed made Sammy do a complete 180. I'm sure I could go back and listen closer and maybe figure it out, but by all accounts Sammy was a "Castellano Faction" member ... what caused it? Was it DeCicco? I also think the whole "We'll let John be boss for a year and if he doesn't work out, we'll kill him and run the family ourselves" thing is bullshit and revisionist history as well. Despite the down-to-earth, laid back persona and stories of honor, etc. - maybe Sammy really was a greedy as rumored.

It was probably a combination of things. Paul giving away business to the Genovese, allowing them to kill a Gambino captain, the way Paul fraternized with "the help," his complementing law enforcement going on domestic dispute calls, his greed, etc. didn't exactly endear him to Gravano or other subordinates. Gravano recognized the ways Paul was a good boss. A very smart businessman. But Gravano had more respect for the "gangsters" than the "racketeers" (a distinction he often makes) and, once he saw the gangsters making a move, it didn't take him long to jump on board.

In his book he also talks about Castellano screwing him on a business deal and not giving him (Gravano) his cut of the money. That really soured Gravano on Castellano. He was also unhappy with the plan to make Tommy Gambino Acting Boss and Bilotti UnderBoss (Bilotti of course did become UnderBoss) should Castellano go to prison.


Pogo

[B.]

Even though he was Sicilian the Toddo Aurello crew is also believed to trace back to the Tommy Rava crew/faction like the Dellacroce and Fatico crews. Aurello is suspected of killing Rava (likely on Commission orders), but if true this was probably due to their existing relationship. A lot of the factionalism in the 1980s traces back to the 1950s.

Interesting too because Boozie DeCicco was with the Aurello crew also. Gotti, Gravano, and Frank DeCicco all had historic ties to the Rava faction.

[bronx]

at one time todo, brown and others were with petey pumps

[B.]

at one time todo, brown and others were with petey pumps

Interesting how Aurello and Failla were fine with Castellano but the younger guys under them like Sammy and Frank DeCicco hated him.

[bronx]

paul had changed..white tower man he became.for awhile he was going to his club every thurday night ,sunday afternoon .sometimes mondays..interacting with the family.then i think he started to believe he was above the"street" didn't like gamblers, nightlife guys,