Ndrangheta question

[ThutmosisChen]

Ndrangheta organizations have spread to many different regions outside Calabria, I`m curious how do non-Calabrian-based cells recruit? Do they only make Calabreses or do they also make non-Calabrian Italians? Also Ndrangheta is strongly present in northern Italy especially in Milano and Turino, does it mean they have many northern Italian associates working for them?

[Strax]

Also Ndrangheta is strongly present in northern Italy especially in Milano and Turino, does it mean they have many northern Italian associates working for them?

In the north u need to work with other groups , have associates who are not Calabrians. In Milan for example Sicilians have bigger presence than 'Ndrangheta, while in Rome 'Ndrangheta has bigger presence than Sicilians, but still one of most powerful organized crime figure in rome is Giovanni "The Billionaire" De Carlo , a Sicilian mafia member.

During mafia capitale case in 2014 , former mayor of Rome Gianni Alemanno was also arrested , Massimo Carminati and Salvatore Buzzi bought votes for him with help of 'Ndrina Mancuso for 2014 European elections.Massimo Carminati and Salvatore Buzzi are not Calabrians,but still they were close associates of 'Ndrangheta in Rome, while governor of Lazio Nicola Zingaretti was connected to mafia capitale thru Giovanni De Carlo , in north they are all working closely together.

[PolackTony]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

[furiofromnaples]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

The ndrangheta come to the spotlight in the 2000s thanks to Nicola Grattieri but the Calabrian immigration in Australia and Canada begun in the early 1900s. So there are many ndrine in the world that they can easly avoid to induct not Calabrians.
The force of ndrangheta is the blood family and they had a formal rite but who born in the ndragheta is automatically in the organization by blood.
Its hard to explain but if youre son of a boss you're inducted and you will be the next boss,while the others that have relatives in the organition or the Santa became contrasti onorati and after proved his devotion become picciotti but after they must climb the ranks because the Santa is divided in due part called Minor Society and Major Society.

So non-calabrians doesnt have a family that ensure his devotion to the Santa; doesnt speak Calabrian dialect because every ndrina must have a reunion to the Madonna of Polsi.
This is the difference.

[B.]

Wasn't Gaetano Costa from Messina a member of the 'Ndrangheta? I read he was inducted in both the Sicilian mafia and 'ndrangheta but I don't know the details.

Costa became a pentito and also said Nitto Santapaolo of Catania was an 'Ndranghetista before he was made into the Sicilian mafia. Calderone didn't say anything like that from what I remember. Anyone know more?

[Strax]

Wasn't Gaetano Costa from Messina a member of the 'Ndrangheta? I read he was inducted in both the Sicilian mafia and 'ndrangheta but I don't know the details.

Costa became a pentito and also said Nitto Santapaolo of Catania was an 'Ndranghetista before he was made into the Sicilian mafia. Calderone didn't say anything like that from what I remember. Anyone know more?

Nitto Santapaola was probably a 'Ndrangheta member but i highly doubt he was made before Sicilian Mafia , he was made into Sicilian Mafia when he was very young , together with Natale Santapaola,Francsico Ferrera Cavadduzzu,Giuseppe Ferlito and Calderone.

Nuvoletta's of Camorra were also both members of Camorra and Sicilian mafia.

[B.]

Thanks, Strax. Maybe I confused the order, as it was in Italian originally.

Very interesting if eastern Sicilian mafiosi were being made into the 'Ndrangheta

[Strax]

Thanks, Strax. Maybe I confused the order, as it was in Italian originally.

Very interesting if eastern Sicilian mafiosi were being made into the 'Ndrangheta

According to several pentitis Toto Riina was sheltered by Giuseppe Morabito while he was on the run. 'Ndrangheta-Sicilian mafia links are going way back,Matteo Messina Denaro was also sheltered by 'Ndrangheta at some point,he is probably back in Sicily now.

When Sicilians wanted to kill Nino Di Matteo few years ago , explosives were sent from Calabria. There are probably a few people who are 'made' into both even today.

[Villain]

According to several pentitis Toto Riina was sheltered by Giuseppe Morabito while he was on the run.

Im quite interested in Riina's career and im first time hearing about this. Thanks Strax

[ThutmosisChen]

Also Ndrangheta is strongly present in northern Italy especially in Milano and Turino, does it mean they have many northern Italian associates working for them?

In the north u need to work with other groups , have associates who are not Calabrians. In Milan for example Sicilians have bigger presence than 'Ndrangheta, while in Rome 'Ndrangheta has bigger presence than Sicilians, but still one of most powerful organized crime figure in rome is Giovanni "The Billionaire" De Carlo , a Sicilian mafia member.

During mafia capitale case in 2014 , former mayor of Rome Gianni Alemanno was also arrested , Massimo Carminati and Salvatore Buzzi bought votes for him with help of 'Ndrina Mancuso for 2014 European elections.Massimo Carminati and Salvatore Buzzi are not Calabrians,but still they were close associates of 'Ndrangheta in Rome, while governor of Lazio Nicola Zingaretti was connected to mafia capitale thru Giovanni De Carlo , in north they are all working closely together.

I read in this paper that Ndrangheta has the largest presence in Milan.
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... s_in_Italy

[ThutmosisChen]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

Wouldn`t it make people less inclined to work for them since they know they would never get inducted? The Sicilians are more flexible and are willing to induct non-Sicilians aren`t they? I remember even some members of Camorra were inducted in Cosa Nostra.

[CabriniGreen]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

I gotta fuck with you guys a little, lol
From Andrew Machins article/ report that Antimafia posted the links to....



What we get from this story is that Verduci performed operational and command functions of a criminal group. A type of human group within which there are rules, some of them absolutely ruthless, in order to maintain order and discipline. It can be assumed that part of it was identified during Project Ophenix which placed ten subjects under him (below).





At the time, the information provided by the police forces about them, even if basic (age, allegations, residence), was extremely interesting and brought forth some considerations.



First of all, it is possible to notice the presence of three non-Italian subjects out of ten. This circumstance reminds us a very important notion: in Canada, the 'Ndrangheta allows formal affiliation even to men of non-Italian origin (we don’t know if it was the case of one or more of these three suspects).

Secondly, it should be noted that the group was formed by a perfect mix (exactly fifty-fifty) between relatively young men (30-43 years), therefore more prone to action, and older men (58-66), evidently with more criminal experience (in general, an old mobster is always more dangerous than a young one. That is because strength can be found in the underworld market; on the other hand, experience to make the right decisions is personal).
Thirdly, it is to underline that the criminal business of all of them was drug trafficking. In particular, for eight of them, the “controlled substance” was cocaine. Only for one, Marco Maone, who credible but unverified information qualified him as a member of a motorcycle theft ring that was busted in the GTA some years earlier, besides cocaine, heroin, MDMA and methamphetamine were also mentioned. For two of them marijuana instead.

Lastly, the fourth aspect to highlight is the geographical composition of this set of individuals. It appeared to be composed of three subgroups:

❶ One from Toronto.

❷ One from north of Toronto (the one involved in the marijuana trafficking).

❸ One from Hamilton. The mention of this city leads to inevitable suggestions about the possible existence and consistency of relationships (and/or, at the limit, contrasts) with other criminal organizations of Italian origin present in Hamilton in that period (we refer naturally to the Calabrian faction of the Buffalo Family and the Musitano crime family, always of Calabrian origin, and yet, certainly unlike the first, aligned to the Sicilian Rizzuto crime family from Montreal). Verduci, therefore, led a branched organization.

In Vaughan, he ruled his territory personally. He made decisions and, eventually, participated in actions, even very violent. In these terms, different police sources expressed themselves: “Police sources say Verduci was involved in kidnapping, drug trafficking, gambling and is suspected in a number of murders, including an unsolved slaying in Woodbridge, and possibly in Italy”. “He was a violent man, a guy who was responsible for ... extortion to drug trafficking, to any type of violent criminal enterprise,” he said. “From prostitution, to smuggling, abduction. He was good for murder.” (R. Lamberti, Toronto Sun, Apr. 26, 2014). In general, the list of criminal activities just reported appears to be credible. Only the mention of prostitution raises doubts. For the mentality of mobsters of Italian origin (it makes no difference whether they belong to the 'Ndrangheta or Cosa Nostra), it is highly dishonorable to manage prostitution.

And: “Verduci headed his own street crew, which was active in the GTA and Hamilton. “He had his own little army of guys,” a police source said”. “He was feared on the street.”, “They called him The Animal.” (P. Edwards, The Star, Apr. 25, 2014), evidently, another nickname of his, this time widespread among the underworld in the GTA.
In essence, he was an uncomfortable figure and, consequently, first target to eliminate from the territory for any possible opposing criminal group operating in the same area in the event of an open war outbreak.

[PolackTony]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

I gotta fuck with you guys a little, lol
From Andrew Machins article/ report that Antimafia posted the links to....



What we get from this story is that Verduci performed operational and command functions of a criminal group. A type of human group within which there are rules, some of them absolutely ruthless, in order to maintain order and discipline. It can be assumed that part of it was identified during Project Ophenix which placed ten subjects under him (below).





At the time, the information provided by the police forces about them, even if basic (age, allegations, residence), was extremely interesting and brought forth some considerations.



First of all, it is possible to notice the presence of three non-Italian subjects out of ten. This circumstance reminds us a very important notion: in Canada, the 'Ndrangheta allows formal affiliation even to men of non-Italian origin (we don’t know if it was the case of one or more of these three suspects).

Secondly, it should be noted that the group was formed by a perfect mix (exactly fifty-fifty) between relatively young men (30-43 years), therefore more prone to action, and older men (58-66), evidently with more criminal experience (in general, an old mobster is always more dangerous than a young one. That is because strength can be found in the underworld market; on the other hand, experience to make the right decisions is personal).
Thirdly, it is to underline that the criminal business of all of them was drug trafficking. In particular, for eight of them, the “controlled substance” was cocaine. Only for one, Marco Maone, who credible but unverified information qualified him as a member of a motorcycle theft ring that was busted in the GTA some years earlier, besides cocaine, heroin, MDMA and methamphetamine were also mentioned. For two of them marijuana instead.

Lastly, the fourth aspect to highlight is the geographical composition of this set of individuals. It appeared to be composed of three subgroups:

❶ One from Toronto.

❷ One from north of Toronto (the one involved in the marijuana trafficking).

❸ One from Hamilton. The mention of this city leads to inevitable suggestions about the possible existence and consistency of relationships (and/or, at the limit, contrasts) with other criminal organizations of Italian origin present in Hamilton in that period (we refer naturally to the Calabrian faction of the Buffalo Family and the Musitano crime family, always of Calabrian origin, and yet, certainly unlike the first, aligned to the Sicilian Rizzuto crime family from Montreal). Verduci, therefore, led a branched organization.

In Vaughan, he ruled his territory personally. He made decisions and, eventually, participated in actions, even very violent. In these terms, different police sources expressed themselves: “Police sources say Verduci was involved in kidnapping, drug trafficking, gambling and is suspected in a number of murders, including an unsolved slaying in Woodbridge, and possibly in Italy”. “He was a violent man, a guy who was responsible for ... extortion to drug trafficking, to any type of violent criminal enterprise,” he said. “From prostitution, to smuggling, abduction. He was good for murder.” (R. Lamberti, Toronto Sun, Apr. 26, 2014). In general, the list of criminal activities just reported appears to be credible. Only the mention of prostitution raises doubts. For the mentality of mobsters of Italian origin (it makes no difference whether they belong to the 'Ndrangheta or Cosa Nostra), it is highly dishonorable to manage prostitution.

And: “Verduci headed his own street crew, which was active in the GTA and Hamilton. “He had his own little army of guys,” a police source said”. “He was feared on the street.”, “They called him The Animal.” (P. Edwards, The Star, Apr. 25, 2014), evidently, another nickname of his, this time widespread among the underworld in the GTA.
In essence, he was an uncomfortable figure and, consequently, first target to eliminate from the territory for any possible opposing criminal group operating in the same area in the event of an open war outbreak.

That’s interesting. So we know for sure that Canadian ‘Ndrangheta formally inducts non-Italians, is is this just assumed from the presence of these three individuals with the group (I’ll confess to being completely lost when it comes to all this Canadian stuff)?

Even if the former were the case, it would seem like Canada might be an exception, due to specific circumstances there, no?

[PolackTony]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

Wouldn`t it make people less inclined to work for them since they know they would never get inducted? The Sicilians are more flexible and are willing to induct non-Sicilians aren`t they? I remember even some members of Camorra were inducted in Cosa Nostra.

I don’t think it would really be a disincentive to working with them. Non-Calabresi working with/for them get into it for their own purposes — to make money, gain power, etc. What do they care about all this Santa stuff. It may not be an apples to apples comparison exactly, but I think of Chicago back in the day, where not being able to be inducted never stopped plenty of non-Italians from working for Chicago LCN.

[ThutmosisChen]

My impression is that ‘Ndrangheta ‘ndrine would not actually be inducting non-Calabresi. Perhaps they don’t even need to have a formal rule explicitly barring this, as from what I know they only induct relatives of members anyway, so it would be a moot point.

Wouldn`t it make people less inclined to work for them since they know they would never get inducted? The Sicilians are more flexible and are willing to induct non-Sicilians aren`t they? I remember even some members of Camorra were inducted in Cosa Nostra.

I don’t think it would really be a disincentive to working with them. Non-Calabresi working with/for them get into it for their own purposes — to make money, gain power, etc. What do they care about all this Santa stuff. It may not be an apples to apples comparison exactly, but I think of Chicago back in the day, where not being able to be inducted never stopped plenty of non-Italians from working for Chicago LCN.

Good point.